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splashpot
09-30-2005, 10:49 PM
My goal for September was to play 500 SNGs with a ROI of 20%. Here are my results:

PokerStars
134 $15+1 Turbos with ROI 8.93%
4 $25+2 Turbos with ROI 4.17%

Party
16 $10+1 with ROI 7.95%
248 $20+2 with ROI 21.7%

Overall - 403 played with ROI 17.68%

I didn't quite reach my goal, but my game is coming along very nicely. I feel very comfortable at the $22s and I will spend at least one more month with those as my main game. My goal for October remains the same as it was for September. Since I wasn't able to completely reach 500 with 20% ROI, I hope to get closer in October.

TheNoodleMan
09-30-2005, 10:56 PM
It would help if someone could dig up the september goals post, but I know that I did buy a 2001fp this month which was one of my stated goals.
Maybe my October goal should be to sustain the 87% ROI that I have achieved over the 32 30+3s I've played in the last 48 hours. Thats doable, right? /images/graemlins/grin.gif

FlyingSumo
09-30-2005, 11:05 PM
October sng-goal :

4-tabling 500 sngs.
Starting at $20+2 with 800$ roll.
cashing out $5000 at end of month.

09-30-2005, 11:13 PM
PokerStars
53 $25+2 Turbos with ROI 31%
Profit +$443

Party
491 $20+2 with ROI 26.4%
Profit +$2854

Overall for the month +$3297.

I tried to play 600 SnGs in 12 days, but I went on an early heater and then a mild downswing for 100 games and burnt myself out. Yeah, for some wierd reason I want to quit playing poker right now.

So my October Goals are to clear the rest of my Pokerstars Bonuses by playing 200 $27 SnGs, make $1500 or so, and then cash out all my virtual dollars into my bank account.

http://img285.imageshack.us/img285/760/september3ku.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

ilya
09-30-2005, 11:18 PM
[ QUOTE ]
October sng-goal :

4-tabling 500 sngs.
Starting at $20+2 with 800$ roll.
cashing out $5000 at end of month.

[/ QUOTE ]

This ain't possible. A reasonably ambitious goal for 500 $22s would be $2500 profit including rakeback. If you can do that, you're doing well.

splashpot
09-30-2005, 11:19 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
October sng-goal :

4-tabling 500 sngs.
Starting at $20+2 with 800$ roll.
cashing out $5000 at end of month.

[/ QUOTE ]

This ain't possible. A reasonably ambitious goal for 500 $22s would be $2500 profit including rakeback. If you can do that, you're doing well.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's possible if he starts at 22 and moves up.

ilya
09-30-2005, 11:22 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
October sng-goal :

4-tabling 500 sngs.
Starting at $20+2 with 800$ roll.
cashing out $5000 at end of month.

[/ QUOTE ]

This ain't possible. A reasonably ambitious goal for 500 $22s would be $2500 profit including rakeback. If you can do that, you're doing well.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's possible if he starts at 22 and moves up.

[/ QUOTE ]

True; however, unless he already has experience at higher levels, a $4200 profit would require an implausibly steep learning curve.

ilya
09-30-2005, 11:22 PM
My October goal is to make at least $5000 including rakeback.

FlyingSumo
09-30-2005, 11:29 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
October sng-goal :

4-tabling 500 sngs.
Starting at $20+2 with 800$ roll.
cashing out $5000 at end of month.

[/ QUOTE ]

This ain't possible. A reasonably ambitious goal for 500 $22s would be $2500 profit including rakeback. If you can do that, you're doing well.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's possible if he starts at 22 and moves up.

[/ QUOTE ]

It will actually take less than 500 sngs if I achieve following ROIs without too much swings :

20% for 20+2 and 30+3
15% for 50+5
10% for 100+9

ilya
09-30-2005, 11:35 PM
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
October sng-goal :

4-tabling 500 sngs.
Starting at $20+2 with 800$ roll.
cashing out $5000 at end of month.

[/ QUOTE ]

This ain't possible. A reasonably ambitious goal for 500 $22s would be $2500 profit including rakeback. If you can do that, you're doing well.

[/ QUOTE ]
It's possible if he starts at 22 and moves up.

[/ QUOTE ]

It will actually take less than 500 sngs if I achieve following ROIs without too much swings :

20% for 20+2 and 30+3
15% for 50+5
10% for 100+9

[/ QUOTE ]

I wish you luck but unless you have experience at these higher levels I think it is very unlikely that you will succeed.

downtown
09-30-2005, 11:45 PM
Here were my September goals and my results... good idea! Hopefully by posting this I can add some accountability to my goal setting.

1) (100) $22s, (8) tabling on the 1st weekend of the month.
Played 143 from that Friday-Tuesday. Got used to 8-tabling.
Goal attained!

2) (400) $33s, (8) tabling rest of month / when done with 1st (100) $22s and adjusted to (8) tabling
Played 482.
Goal attained!

3) 15% ROI at $33s over those (400) 33s
Well, had 15+ over the first 260, then hit a -34 buyin downswing. Oops! 8% ROI.
Goal missed!

4) Spend less time looking at my stats and more time playing and reviewing with SNGPT
Goal attained!

5) Go to Bears game on Sept. 25th vs. Bengals and watch Bears win, making their record 3-0
Went to the game, but Orton threw 5 interceptions! WTF! Bears 1-2! Meh.
Goal missed!

6) Step up to 55s exclusively by Weekend of Sept 30
I think I need to work up my bankroll a bit first to recover from my mid-month downswing before taking a full time stab at the 55s. I may try a few sets of 55s this weekend though and I'll be there full time if my results from the last few weeks of the 33s stay healthy.
Goal missed!

7) Don't spend bankroll on something stupid
Goal attained!

Made a little under $1800 after rakeback, which ends up being about $26/hr or so. Not so great, considering I am 8-tabling, but it was my first month 8-tabling after all. And wow that downswing hurt the ole bottom line. I'm keeping my day job... for now.

Nicholasp27
10-01-2005, 01:50 AM
my goal was 250 tourneys, 20% at 10s and build br enough to play 22s fulltime

i didn't do 20% at 10s, but i met the other 2 goals
11s:
168 played
13% roi
$242 profit


22s:
109 played
18% roi
$442 total profit

33s:
6 played
67% roi
$132 profit


overall:
283 played
18% roi
$816 profit

rakeback: $150 (played some cash games as well)

i'm pleased, being that this was my 3rd full month of seriously playing poker


OCTOBER GOALS:
>15% roi at the 22s with 200 tourneys played
$1000 profit

ace_in_the_hole
10-01-2005, 02:11 AM
Well I fell short of my goal, but most of that is becaue I didn't get to start 8 tabling this month thansk to a nice 400 SnG Breakeven streak at the 33's. But I am happy to say I did end up having a decent month. Thanks to the last 8 day heater I am currently on, here are my stats:

580 SnG's
40 22's
500 33's
40 55's

Total Profit: $1,728
Profit w/RB : $2,175
Comes out to about $20/HR

Next month I jump up to the 55's, I want to do:
100 33's to pad bankroll a little more
900 55's (I hpe to be 6-8 tabling by the 20th)

Hopefully $5k in profit with Rakeback
My long term realistic goal is to do 3000 SnG's and $10,000 profit by Jan. 1.

Ogre
10-01-2005, 02:13 AM
my goals are get good grades and at least make some money through rakeback

axeshigh
10-01-2005, 03:12 PM
My goals were a very utopian 1000 55s and 20% ROI. I managed 1033 of them for a 9,7% ROI, which doesn't seem so bad given that I broke even for 3 weeks in the middle, and I still finish up 6700 or so with rakeback.

Goals for next month will be to play 1000 55s and get 15% ROI, which seems more reasonable. I'll probably have enough trouble with playing 1000 due to exams and miscellaneous school work and whatever I have to cope with.

Apathy
10-01-2005, 03:35 PM
I accomplished none of my september goals but I did make a bunch of cash this month even though I didn't play very much. I wanted to play 1k 215s and I played around 300 which isn't very good. I did play more mtts though.

october I hope will be a little different, my goal is to play 500 before I leave for dublin and to play great poker in my first EPT event.

10-01-2005, 04:33 PM
I don't remember my goals, but I'm sure I didn't achieve them. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

I got my 2001FP this week so I can 8-table, and today I played 67 SNG's. Stats for today: 5 firsts, 9 seconds, 3 thirds, 50 OOTM, lol! I played probably 60% $33's and 40% $22's. I made over $500 yesterday and lost $450 today, so it's not that bad, BUT I have realized now that my bubble play is far from perfect. Almost every SNG I push when it's a little -EV, and fold when it's +EV to push. So it would make no sense to try and play as many SNG's as possible this month, if I don't play good, so it's better to focus on improving my game.

My goal for this month: Study old games I have played with SNGPT, find leaks, read this forum (look for old, good threads).
But somehow, I don't want to study and only want to play, because I'm extremely lazy, so the first goal is to change my ideas about studying, and start liking it. /images/graemlins/smile.gif

ewing55
10-01-2005, 04:52 PM
Sept Stats:
937 SnGs, 18.78% ROI, 40.77 ITM, $3,868 profit + $468 RB
Finish Detail: 191/ 141/135/ 127/ 111/ 130/ 81/ 55/ 31/ 20
(Stats do include $100 won in a freeroll.)

Started off the month OK, started 6 tabling, did & played poorly, switched back to 4 tabling and went on a heater (33% ROI over 350 SnGs) until the end of the month. Of course I screwed up my stats by losing $234 on the last day of the month. /images/graemlins/shocked.gif /images/graemlins/shocked.gif /images/graemlins/shocked.gif

October Goals: 930 SnGs (30 a day) 4 tabling while slowly moving up to the 33s while keeping a 15% overall ROI. Be playing the 30s entirely, by the end of the month.

Profit a lot with a lot of rakeback. Not go crazy!

-----------Jeff

PS. Why the hell is everyone's screen name secret? I ain't scared. I'm Kitty_Liquor & KittyLiquor5. Fear me. rotflmao

raptor517
10-01-2005, 05:16 PM
i have a goal.. play 300 109s and make like.. i duno 5k total.. ill play some cash game stuff too i guess. no time. sucks. holla

llabb
10-01-2005, 05:41 PM
Goal: Play 500+ $55's at 15%+ ROI

Minimum Threshhold of Acceptability: 400 $55's at 10% ROI

stupidsucker
10-01-2005, 05:49 PM
September goals link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=singletable&Number=3302264 &Forum=,,,All_Forums,,,&Words=&Searchpage=2&Limit= 25&Main=3289648&Search=true&where=&Name=8121&dater ange=&newerval=&newertype=&olderval=&oldertype=&bo dyprev=#Post3302264)

stupidsucker
10-01-2005, 06:07 PM
[ QUOTE ]
I havent read any of this thread yet...
My sept. schedule will go like this.

S,M,T,W,F
50 games a day
Thrusday- off

Saturday- parlay day
I have allotted myself $55 to play 1 $55
If at any time I fall below this 1 buy in BR I have to play 11s (during parlay time only) to make the $55 back.

I have it set to play 1k 11s for my regular month, and 4 saturdays to parlay. My parlay may not work out at all, but I have nothing to lose but the time I put into it and the intital $55 investment. Also if I put in overtime and reach 1k SnGs before the end of the month than the rest of my time can be used for parlay.

I want a 25% roi at the 11s for 1k games, and if I am lucky my $55 will expotentialy increase. October plans will be based on how well this system worked for me.

[/ QUOTE ]

I held to my schedule until the brutal last week where I dropped nearly 30 buys at the 33s. I ended the month negative after over 900 games. No more parlay for me, but that wasnt the problem. I sucked this month. Again.

11s-275-$495-16.36%roi/41.82%ITM (30/32/53)
22s-137-$246-8.16%roi/34.31%ITM (17/18/12)
33s-502-<font color="red">$156-0.94%roi/35.46%ITM</font> (45/56/77)
55s-26-<font color="red">$680-47.55%roi/23.08%ITM</font> (0/3/3)
Total-940-<font color="red">$95-0.4%roi/36.81%ITM</font> (92/109/145)

I suck

October goals include 4tabling only, 11s-22s only, no parlay at all. and a + roi for the month.

Manque
10-01-2005, 06:15 PM
My goal is 500 games this month. If I play ok the money will take care of itself (eventually)

inyaface
10-01-2005, 06:31 PM
My goal was 300-400 sngs and to clear 1k in rakeback. I played a ton at the begining of the month but then School and partying got in my way plus I picked up hockey about 1/2 way through the month. I still managed 304 sngs @ 17.70 ROI. Also I played some 400NL and 10/20 limit loosing about $600 in the NL and making about $600 in the limit. Since NL cash was my original game I really want to put some time into getting good at it again and at higher levels because frankly I was super rusty and just sucked. Anwyas all this plus $994 in rakeback (so close but so far from 1k) was my lovely month of September. Next month since I'm probably going to be very busy so I'm just I'm aiming for 300 sngs...well see how she goes

Eevee
10-01-2005, 07:53 PM
Had a 50 buy in downswing and then accidentally told Messe Jesse that it was 150. /images/graemlins/grin.gif Finally got even for the month yesterday. /images/graemlins/crazy.gif 400 SNGS played. (mostly 33s and 55s).
Goals for October: Don't whine unless the downswing is more than 50 buy ins, play at LEAST 500 SNGS, make Empire Leaderboard. ALSO make some freakin money. PEace.

-EV

Current Music: Jack Johnson - Flake

Jackrabbit Slim
10-01-2005, 09:55 PM
September goals:
- Learn how to actually win a STT instead of getting a bajillion second places.
Nope, but I purchased SnGPT which is a step towards this goal.

- Get my ROI at the 22s up to 15-20% while 4-tabling
Nope! Started off with a nasty downswing and had to step down to the 11s for the rest of the month to get some confidence back. Had 14% ROI at the 11s though, so that's almost what I hoped for /images/graemlins/smile.gif

- Win at least $1000
Nope! Starting off with a $600 downswing kind of ruined this goal, but at least I ended the month in the green.


October goals:
- Keep working with SnGPT to fine tune my bubble pushes and try to make correct moves automatically.
- Go back to the 22s and stay there with a ROI around 10%
- Play at least 400 SnGs
- Play one 55 tournament to see how big a difference there is, and have some fun /images/graemlins/smile.gif
- Get prepared for/start 8-tabling by the end of the month

Oluwafemi
10-01-2005, 10:22 PM
nice results in your $22s on Party. keep it up.

TheNoodleMan
10-01-2005, 10:27 PM
September goals:
1. enjoy my colts season tickets (purchased with SNG winnings, thanks again guys! )
<font color="green"> achieved! 3-0! D-FENCE! D- FENCE! </font>
2. Figure out what has been going on with my ITM play during August (37% ITM but only 10% ROI)
<font color="red"> failed! nearly identical stats. </font>
3. get a good deal on a 2001fp
<font color="green"> Achieved! I love this thing! Everyone should get one! </font>
4. add 5th table and beyond.
<font color="red"> Failed, but I just got the 2001fp a couple days ago so its on now! </font>

wuwei
10-02-2005, 12:06 AM
[ QUOTE ]
1. 250 $55s
2. 5k hands of 100 or 200 NL on Party.
3. "Quit" smoking
4. 1 MTT final table

[/ QUOTE ]

I ended up playing a lot less than usual this month, suffering from a bit of burnout and my weekends were quite busy. I should be back playing and posting a lot more this month. Overall, I did a poor job on my goals.

1. I played 94 SNGs the party 55s, PS 60s, and party 109s with an ROI of 8%

2. I played 2500 hands at the 100NL for 3.5 PTBB/100. I played 550 hands of 200NL for 4.4PTBB/100.

3. I suck at life.

4. I did manage this one - took 3rd in a 15k guaranteed on Empire to make this a decent month overall. I felt like I played my best poker ever from start to finish in a MTT that night, and it was easily the highlight of my poker month except for my 47 hour hu match with Lacky /images/graemlins/smile.gif

I also made the final table in the KOTZ limit tourney, and bubbled in this weeks NL rebuy tourney.

October goals? I suppose I'll keep them the same, and see if I can do a little better at reaching them this month.

z32fanatic
10-02-2005, 02:19 AM
September Goals:

1. Finish the 1000 $100s and move up to the $200s.

Did ~900 of them and haven't moved up.

2. Make $20k while in school

Check. (but wasn't in school til mid September)

3. Don't burnout on STTs.

Check.
4. Win a MTT.

Got 2nd about 3 times, no 1sts (til I win the pokerroom GT tomorrow afternoon)

October Goals:
1. Get good grades
2. Make ~20k
3. Win a MTT damnit
4. Find a protege among my friends and make him good

Madd
10-02-2005, 02:49 AM
Played some 55+5s turbos on Stars and started in the 109s with a ROI of 21%. +5804$. Life is good.

In october I will be quite busy, so my ambitious goal is to play 100 109s and at least one set of 215s.

mike28
10-02-2005, 02:56 AM
Break into the 109s

and have the wildest bday party ever.

pergesu
10-02-2005, 02:57 AM
I was planning on going for like 1000..but I did 93 today /images/graemlins/blush.gif

1500 I guess? And I'll just hope it comes with a positive ROI.

B1GF1SHY
10-02-2005, 03:02 AM
Just started playing SnGs.

October Goals:
- Play 1000 $20's on Party.
- Stop getting sucked out when I get ITM.

(gone over 30 STT's without a single 1st place /images/graemlins/frown.gif)

bennies
10-02-2005, 01:30 PM
From September:
A: Study (not poker).
B: A lot of other things (not poker).
C: Improve my game, exchange HH's etc.
D: Play exactly 500 22's and 100 55's.

In October:
A) I need to study more. B) I need to do more stuff. C) I need to improve my game and exchange HH's with another 55'er. D) I'd like to to keep doing this well at the 55's but less than a 25% Roi will be fine also... /images/graemlins/cool.gif

10-02-2005, 01:47 PM
My goal for October is to actually play 1000 SnGs. As for profit, I don't care too much, but I'll say $5000. I had a good start yesterday with 92 SnGs, especially considering I started the day with a nice little 25 buyin loss.

BrettP217
10-02-2005, 03:03 PM
My goal for september was play 500 11's and 22's and at the end move up to 33's with 20% roi

I ended up playing 208 11's and 22's /images/graemlins/frown.gif... but my roi was 26.57 /images/graemlins/cool.gif

and i moved up to the 33's right at the end...

runner4life7
10-02-2005, 03:50 PM
Septemeber unrealistic goals:
Play 1000 22s
What happened
Played 258 22s @ 19.8 % ROI

October goals
Play more than september ideally 500 22s looking to 12 table in november.

runner4life7
10-02-2005, 03:55 PM
oh yeah, and i'd like to add not get good grades because school sucks.

NiR
10-02-2005, 04:29 PM
+3k about
22's-33's all 8 tabling

ended month doing 60 55's.

goals: start my NL400 journey and make 5k in 400nl. try 600nl by the end of the month. play 25k hands atleast. and party !! and study for school hard!!

Bonafone
10-02-2005, 04:52 PM
Win a $165+10 double shoot-out on Stars hopefully on my next 8 tries

Play 1000 109's while getting hh reviewed, reviewing hh's, discussing hands, and and working with sng power tools.

Shilly
10-02-2005, 05:51 PM
I said I'd try for 250 20s/30s for September.

They say it's better to aim high and miss, than to aim low and hit...I didn't do either.

Results:
164 20+2: 41% ITM, 24% ROI. A third of those were played in the last five days of the month.

October:

150 SNGs, while making 100% of my classes (missed three last month because I was sick) and watching the Badgers go undefeated.

10-02-2005, 06:36 PM
September goal was to be a winning player at the 55s. Well...I'm winning now, although it kicked my ass earlier in the month and I'm better since then.

My goal is to be 30% 3-tabling at the 55s by the end of October.

splashpot
10-02-2005, 06:39 PM
[ QUOTE ]
September goal was to be a winning player at the 55s. Well...I'm winning now, although it kicked my ass earlier in the month and I'm better since then.

My goal is to be 30% 3-tabling at the 55s by the end of October.

[/ QUOTE ]
I don't play the 55s but I'm pretty sure 30% ROI is not sustainable. It's not even sustainable at 22-33.

10-02-2005, 06:45 PM
It said before the FAQ changed that 30% is sustainable, so I'm gonna go ahead and make my goal 30%. From the new FAQ info, it looks like I have to be pretty amazing to sustain 30%, and I want to be pretty amazing. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

splashpot
10-02-2005, 06:50 PM
[ QUOTE ]
It said before the FAQ changed that 30% is sustainable, so I'm gonna go ahead and make my goal 30%. From the new FAQ info, it looks like I have to be pretty amazing to sustain 30%, and I want to be pretty amazing. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[/ QUOTE ]
This is what it says in the FAQ:

11s - 25% ROI
20s - 20% ROI
33s - 16% ROI
55s - 13% ROI
109s - 10% ROI
215s - 7% ROI

Your goal is a little less than triple what it says here. If you do achieve 30%, you're lucky. Your goal for the month should not be to "get lucky". Your goal should be attainable.

ClaytonN
10-02-2005, 06:51 PM
250 11's

Sticking with 11's and only 11's. Randomly mix in omaha hi/lo full ring .5/1 when bored

Get an ROI higher than 15% and work from there.

10-03-2005, 01:24 AM
The link to Irieguy's posts says this:

Once you get to the 1000-chip games, right now in 2005 the very best players may be able to achieve 38% over a very large sample.


A great $6/$11 player can probably sustain 30% or so.

A great $22/$33 player can probably sustain 22% or so.

A great $55 player can proabably sustain 18% or so.

A great $109 player can probably sustain 12% or so.

A great $215 player can probably sustain 6% or so.

It also says that the above percentages are very optimistic for even the best players over the long run.

It also says in the FAQ:

In short, if your ROI is higher than the above numbers, you are doing something right and should be relatively satisfied with your play. You may still have plenty of room to improve but you are definitely on the right track.

So I guess 30% is pretty damn hard, if not very near impossible to sustain. Regardless, 30% is still going to be my goal. My goal is not to get 'lucky' as you would say. It's just far easier to simply get 'lucky' and get 18% than it is to get 30%. I'm not gonna change my playstyle for a higher chance to achieve my goal if I'm not there, but it'll always keep me moving forward.

ebaudry
10-03-2005, 04:17 AM
"Minimum Threshhold of Acceptability:"

That type of term is reason #452 why I don't work for a consulting company anymore. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

ebaudry
10-03-2005, 04:26 AM
"In short, if your ROI is higher than the above numbers, you are doing something right and should be relatively satisfied with your play. You may still have plenty of room to improve but you are definitely on the right track. "


I can see where you are going wrong here, the quote above is leading you astray.

Re-read the stuff you posted again, ignoring this part. And there is a downside to setting you goal much higher than you are likely to achieve. It could impact your confidence if you are way off the target. And given +/- 1 std. dev. off of ~20% ROI at the $33s, you more likely than not, will fall very short of your target of 30%. Unless you are very lucky, or are so much better at poker than everyone else, that you should be telling us what the attainable ROIs are (ala Stanzee), b/c the concesus says 20% ish, I believe.

Hope this is useful.

10-03-2005, 04:55 AM
October goal: get used to 4-tabling

Ixnert
10-03-2005, 12:36 PM
My goals for September were:

-- to play like 500 (missed -- took some time off from SNGs to play cash games and made more money at it than I likely would have from the SNGs -- only played about 120)

-- with better stats than the previous month (partially hit; got a higher ITM this time (42%) with a lower ROI (about 9%, I think), because my 1/2/3 distribution was something crazy like 6/21/15)

-- buy a 20" flat-panel (got this one early in the month, very much enjoying my Samsung 204T, thanks /images/graemlins/cool.gif )

-- move up from 4-tabling to something more (sort of hit; got another account set up with rakeback and have done some 6-tabling, still more comfortable at 4 but getting there)

-- move up semi-permanently to 33s (hit; every one of my September tournaments was 33 or higher).

September SNG results: +$300 or so.
September cash results: +$650 (in fewer hours).

Plus rakeback for a total of $1100 or so.

October goals:

-- Become more comfortable with &gt;4 tables at once.
-- Try to figure out if my funky finish distribution in September is anything to worry about, if I have perhaps become a pussy.
-- Try to get back predominantly into SNGs (I find SNGs more fun even if they do end up being less profitable for me).

Oh, and making a bunch of money would be nice.

Lucid1
10-03-2005, 12:54 PM
I just moved up to the 55s, and I want to determine my ROI as quickly as possible.

I'm planning on going "all-in" pokerwise this month, and my goal for October is to play 2000 50+5's.

I'll post my stats when it's over.

I'm aiming for about 10% ROI, but who knows...

IdiotVig
10-03-2005, 12:57 PM
My goal for October is the same as it was for September: Pay attention to the little voice in the back of your head.

Hopefully I'll get it right this time around.

sofere
10-03-2005, 01:05 PM
Goals for September:

Get off my August losing streak and work my way back up to 33s - Achieved

October Goals
Sustain my unsustainable September Stats (45%+ ROI in the 22s and 33s over 150-200 games)

Plus some other crap that nobody cares about like studying for CFA and writing MBA apps.

10-03-2005, 01:33 PM
I'm not result-oriented so I always look for how I can play better. This 'goal' isn't an expectation. It's something that will tell me if I'm going in the right direction.

I think you're misunderstanding me here. Why set my goal to 18% or something when over the short run, I could very well get that high with pure dumb luck and doing nothing right? Theoretically, I can get 100% with pure dumb luck too but you'd need a whole lot more luck if you have no skill in either case.

A goal over a year should be sustainable, a goal over a month should not. A great player's good month is 30%, but it takes a bad player's ridiculous month to get 30%.

Edit: Today and yesterday, I've had 3 games where the other guy hit a 2-outer and 2 games where the other guy hit a 6-outer, both on the river when I shoved the chips in on the turn. So this may very well be the most unlucky thing that's happened to me considering the odds of that happening, but on the other hand I'm really confident about my play. This is why I really believe you shouldn't think of goals as something to achieve in poker. It should be something that'll come to you when you do the right thing. 30% is hard to get unless you do the right thing, whether you're lucky or not.

splashpot
10-03-2005, 08:12 PM
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I'm not result-oriented so I always look for how I can play better. This 'goal' isn't an expectation. It's something that will tell me if I'm going in the right direction.

I think you're misunderstanding me here. Why set my goal to 18% or something when over the short run, I could very well get that high with pure dumb luck and doing nothing right? Theoretically, I can get 100% with pure dumb luck too but you'd need a whole lot more luck if you have no skill in either case.

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Theoretically, you can NEVER tell if your results are pure luck or if they are skill. You ask "why set your goal to 18% when that could end up being dumb luck?" Well, why set it to 30%? Why not to 40% or 80%? IT IS POSSIBLE that you hit 80% over a month so why not make that your goal?

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A goal over a year should be sustainable, a goal over a month should not.

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Why? This makes no sense. What is the point of setting a short term goal that you are most unlikely to reach?

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Edit: Today and yesterday, I've had 3 games where the other guy hit a 2-outer and 2 games where the other guy hit a 6-outer, both on the river when I shoved the chips in on the turn. So this may very well be the most unlucky thing that's happened to me considering the odds of that happening, but on the other hand I'm really confident about my play.

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That isn't even all that bad. Stuff like that happens all the time. I'm surprised that this stands out to you as unusual.

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This is why I really believe you shouldn't think of goals as something to achieve in poker. It should be something that'll come to you when you do the right thing. 30% is hard to get unless you do the right thing, whether you're lucky or not.

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Well I finally agree with one thing you said here. You "real goal" should be to make the correct play every time. However, should you achieve this ultimate goal, you will still not reach 30% unless you get lucky(I have no evidence for this aside from what people have said on this board). This is why I have assumed that you included "getting lucky" in your original goal. Becuase it is unachievable without getting lucky. In other words, you MUST GET LUCKY to achieve this goal. Even if you achieve the holy grail of goals(making every correct move).

FlyingSumo
10-10-2005, 11:21 PM
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October sng-goal :

4-tabling 500 sngs.
Starting at $20+2 with 800$ roll.
cashing out $5000 at end of month.

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Cashed out after PartyPoker changed.

Reason : A mix of
1) bad run at MTT's at Stars (--&gt;frustration when losing big pots in tourneys).
2) PartyPoker changed.
3) Good run at Cryptologic limit-tables.

10-11-2005, 12:02 AM
Well, if you understand the most important part of my post then I'm sure I can convince you on the rest of it.

You ask "Why set a short-term goal that you are most unlikely to reach?" I ask you, why set a short-term goal that you can achieve easily and without skill? Does meeting your goal of 18% ROI over a month tell you absolutely anything? It shouldn't. You could be a slightly lucky winning player, very lucky break-even player, or extremely lucky losing player. Does meeting my goal of 30% ROI over a month tell me anything? Either I'm really, really, really lucky or I'm at least doing something right. There's just a higher chance of me being a winning player if I hit 30%.

An achievable goal in the long run makes perfect sense because variance plays a much smaller role. I honestly don't make short-term goals that I expect to reach because there's no point whatsoever. A goal that has high standards in the short run can give you some meaning, although still nearly pointless.

My bad-beat run for that day was because I only played 6 tournaments that day, and if you add up those chances you'd be pretty amazed at the odds of that happening. It also shows how little short-term goals mean, and you know it too since you said it happens 'all the time'. When things like this happen all the time, what purpose is there in making a rational short-term goal? I admit that there's not much merit to my rather irrational short-term goal, but there's still more merit to it than the rational approach.

splashpot
10-11-2005, 12:14 AM
Why choose 30%? Why not 40%? 50%? 200%? Luck is not something you can measure. At least not easily. Let's say I set my goal at 18% ROI. If I achieve it, was it luck? Of course it could have been. There is a certain likelyhood that my success was luck. You set your goal to 30%. If you achieve it, there is a huge, enormous, almost sure likelyhood that your success was due to luck. The best way to set a goal is to pick a number that both challenges your limits and minimizes the likelyhood of luck.

10-11-2005, 12:22 AM
Wow, you are completely correct, and that is why I am setting my goal to 30%. I am setting a goal that both challenges my limits and minimizes the likely hood of luck.

Think it through for a moment, I'm sure we're nearly on the same page. 30% will DEFINITELY have luck in it, but it will also VERY LIKELY have skill involved in it as well. What do you have to say about 18%, at least in the short term?

Edit: To answer your question, I'm not setting it to 80% because logic dictates that you cannot get 40% ROI from skill. It's a disproportionate percentage of luck VS skill where skill impacts the percentage by a smaller margin than luck. Whereas 20% ROI is achievable with skill, so 30% ROI is not disproportionate at all.

tshort
10-11-2005, 12:30 AM
I assume the idea behind goal setting is to achieve more than you think is probable? So, everyone who sets goals higher than what is probable will fail more often than not. In this case, I don't think there is a way to decide what the right balance of goal setting beyond "probable" is best.

I think this goal is better: Win the next tournament you play.

ilya
10-11-2005, 12:51 AM
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My October goal is to make at least $5000 including rakeback.

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My new October goal is to make $4500.

Mr_J
10-11-2005, 01:02 AM
First goal is to play at stars for a few days clearing the bonuses I've racked up there, and work on my game a bit.

Next goal is to be playing back at party by the 20th (I've already got rakeback), and then do a 10k in 10 days kind of challenge.

Bluff Daddy
10-11-2005, 01:38 AM
My only goal is to play more. By the time I get home from work and school I dont ever feel like playing. I would quit my job but I need the letters of recommendation to get into law school which really pisses me off knowing I could be making 5x as much but am stuck working there 20hrs a week instead.