Do you ever take your foot off the pedal? [Archive]

Predator314

09-30-2005, 04:52 PM

villain isn't too horrible, somewhat passive before the flop, but i saw him over play 2 flushes with paired boards where he lost big pots.

Do you ever let up on this hand?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.66 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

River: (13.66 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.66 BB

Jgents

09-30-2005, 05:06 PM

Since he likes to overplay, I wouldn't give it a second thought. A8s, KK-AA, 77, all possible.

MoDOH

09-30-2005, 05:16 PM

I´m not found of slowplaying. Not even HU and with a hand this strong.
I would raise this flop and if raised I smoothcall and pop the turn also. Against some I cap the flop also. The reason is that i would raise this flop with many hands and you aren´t directly worried that villain will fold his hand are you? In fact he will probably raise you here...

Other than the flop I would have played it the same... If he had QQ then so be it...

slik

09-30-2005, 05:21 PM

i would only call the river check raise after the turn action. but given your description, i may be losing money.

09-30-2005, 06:15 PM

I wouldn't stop.

Buck_65

09-30-2005, 06:36 PM

Raise the flop and keep throwing raises in there until party poker doesn't allow it anymore.

Edit: If it's capped all the way after raising the flop, then just call the river check-raise. Anything more would be overplaying.

Drontier

09-30-2005, 06:41 PM

by overplaying do you mean capping turn and river with a 6 high flush? or do u mean capping turn with 2 bets on the river with a Q high flush? If its the first, I cap this on both streets. If its the latter, the only hand he has that makes sense is QQ. Once u get c/r on river PLZ shutdown. Not even AA goes this far, and hes passive pf so Im guessing AA KK AK QQ. obviously not AK here huh? KK and AA never go this far, so QQ it is.

Entity

09-30-2005, 06:42 PM

I raise the flop and call the river checkraise.

baronzeus

09-30-2005, 06:47 PM

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I raise the flop and call the river checkraise.

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millerlolife

09-30-2005, 06:56 PM

Just call the river checkraise? Because he made a straight flush?

baronzeus

09-30-2005, 06:57 PM

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Just call the river checkraise? Because he made a straight flush?

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lol.

we don't even have the 2nd nuts. we don't even have the third nuts. do you like money? because i do.

ggbman

09-30-2005, 06:59 PM

Ok, well yeah definitly raise the flop. And not to beat it to death, but call the river c/r. I'm serious, who here thinks a flush is even in the realm of possibility?

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09-30-2005, 07:00 PM

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Just call the river checkraise? Because he made a straight flush?

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lol.

we don't even have the 2nd nuts. we don't even have the third nuts. do you like money? because i do.

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We're not talking about nuts that are easy to have. These nuts are different.

baronzeus

09-30-2005, 07:01 PM

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Just call the river checkraise? Because he made a straight flush?

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lol.

we don't even have the 2nd nuts. we don't even have the third nuts. do you like money? because i do.

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We're not talking about nuts that are easy to have. These nuts are different.

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sorry.

i would say when he check-raises the river he has QQ 50% of the time at LEAST. this means you can ONLY CALL HIS CHECK-RAISE

B Dids

09-30-2005, 07:12 PM

Slow down tiger.

Can he read hands at all?

If he's passive before the flop, he's not holding AcQc, right?

If he maybe caps with AKs does he play AcKc like this?

If not- what does he cap with that he plays like that on the turn?

If your description is on point, QQ is really damn likely once he c/rs the river and I think you maybe could make a case for calling down after he 3-bets the turn (but that hinges on if you think he'd play AA or KK like this on the turn).

09-30-2005, 07:29 PM

OK. I just played the whole movie back in my head considering the read. When I get to part about the river checkraise, my 3rd bet feels like a spew. So, I'm inclined to agree that just calling on the river is much better. If OP's read is accurate, it's not even close.

mex78753

09-30-2005, 07:33 PM

personally I dont think a call on the river is as sure a thing as some seem to suggest against a 3/6 limit player. Especially one that has been seen overplaying his hands.

But, I do agree flat calling the river is marginally better.

Jeff W

09-30-2005, 08:22 PM

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I raise the flop and call the river checkraise.

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I concur.

jason_t

09-30-2005, 09:09 PM

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09-30-2005, 09:17 PM

NO, i think hes overplaying something way more often than he has the QQ, and if he does have the qq, thats just a beat your going to take...

millerlolife

09-30-2005, 09:25 PM

YUP, I will bet money that the guy doesnt have QQ

B Dids

09-30-2005, 09:54 PM

Explain your reasoning?

baronzeus

09-30-2005, 09:54 PM

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P.S. The two people above me should be banned. (not you dids)

oreogod

09-30-2005, 09:57 PM

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YUP, I will bet money that the guy doesnt have QQ

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whats your wager. Im in.

NLSoldier

09-30-2005, 09:58 PM

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YUP, I will bet money that the guy doesnt have QQ

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whats your wager. Im in.

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baronzeus

09-30-2005, 09:58 PM

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NO, i think hes overplaying something way more often than he has the QQ, and if he does have the qq, thats just a beat your going to take...

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NLSoldier

09-30-2005, 10:00 PM

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NO, i think hes overplaying something way more often than he has the QQ, and if he does have the qq, thats just a beat your going to take...

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Gold.

Luzion

09-30-2005, 10:02 PM

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I raise the flop and call the river checkraise.

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millerlolife

09-30-2005, 10:06 PM

Ill bet 1 person $20. Nothing crazy just in case you guys know the answer.

jason_t

09-30-2005, 10:07 PM

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YUP, I will bet money that the guy doesnt have QQ

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whats your wager. Im in.

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oreogod

09-30-2005, 10:11 PM

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Ill bet 1 person $20. Nothing crazy just in case you guys know the answer.

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You're on. If Im wrong I will transfer u money on Stars (easiest for me). Being serious here.

You really dont think he has QQ or 88 here? The only way I see AQ of clubs, AA or KK here is if he is really bad. But if u accept let me know.

millerlolife

09-30-2005, 10:15 PM

Wager accepted, I think I win though.

Catt

09-30-2005, 10:15 PM

09-30-2005, 10:17 PM

Does he cap 88 HU. If he does, this is hilarious.

B Dids

09-30-2005, 10:18 PM

It should be very clear that everbody (like me) saying QQ is basing this on the OP's read. If his read blows and he caps AcQc or 88 preflop, it's his fault, not ours.

millerlolife

09-30-2005, 10:20 PM

haha, Im simply going off the reads of partypoker 3-6 players. You must cap this river!

oreogod

09-30-2005, 10:21 PM

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Wager accepted, I think I win though.

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Thoughts on why? Im curious as to what u think.

B Dids

09-30-2005, 10:24 PM

You are not very good at reading party 3/6 players then.

As I have stated earlier, I see into their souls, so I may have an edge here.

Seriously, even if people play bad, you can't just ignore basic hand reading.

There's only one this this advice feels like...

raise raise raiseReaweawRAisee AWJEIaweji AAGGGRO TWOPLUSTWO RAISE ME LIKE HAND ME RAISE

baronzeus

09-30-2005, 10:25 PM

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omg he is unworthy /images/graemlins/frown.gif

millerlolife

09-30-2005, 10:27 PM

THere are only 3 hands that beat him. And perhaps 88? 4 hands?

brazilio

09-30-2005, 10:31 PM

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THere are only 3 hands that beat him. And perhaps 88? 4 hands?

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loll at me

baronzeus

09-30-2005, 10:31 PM

millerlolife

09-30-2005, 10:33 PM

I am not even considering a straight flush, call me crazy

Luzion

09-30-2005, 10:34 PM

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THere are only 3 hands that beat him. And perhaps 88? 4 hands?

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You apparently can't count, either. 2 ways to have QQ, 1 way to have 88, and 1 way to have our straight flush.

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quick fix your typo /images/graemlins/wink.gif

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uhh brazilio...C(3,2) bro.. 3 combinations of QQ /images/graemlins/grin.gif

dont make me punch your mouth and then punch your bandaged stomach!!!

milesdyson

09-30-2005, 10:36 PM

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THere are only 3 hands that beat him. And perhaps 88? 4 hands?

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You apparently can't count, either. 2 ways to have QQ, 1 way to have 88, and 1 way to have our straight flush.

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1. Q/images/graemlins/heart.gifQ/images/graemlins/spade.gif
2. Q/images/graemlins/heart.gifQ/images/graemlins/club.gif
2. Q/images/graemlins/club.gifQ/images/graemlins/spade.gif
3. 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif8/images/graemlins/spade.gif
4. 9/images/graemlins/club.gifT/images/graemlins/club.gif

yes, 4 is correct.

brazilio

09-30-2005, 10:37 PM

I give up

brazilio

09-30-2005, 10:37 PM

DIE

Luzion

09-30-2005, 10:41 PM

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Eat it Brazilio!!!

oreogod

09-30-2005, 10:43 PM

Only way Im losing is if OP screwed up his read pretty bad or Villian has the unlikely 88 or AQ of clubs.

But going off QQ or 88 still 3:1 so good odds.

millerlolife

09-30-2005, 10:45 PM

$20 on this my friend. I dont even play on stars, but maybe I can use it to buy into a SnG or somethin

Predator314

10-01-2005, 08:36 AM

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is MP with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, 4 folds, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Flop: (9.33 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (5.66 BB) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG 3-bets, Hero caps, UTG calls.

River: (13.66 BB) 7/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero bets, UTG raises, Hero 3-bets, UTG caps, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 21.66 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Qs Qh (full house, queens full of eights).
Hero has Jh Jd (full house, jacks full of eights).
Outcome: UTG wins 21.66 BB.

oreogod

10-01-2005, 08:45 AM

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$20 on this my friend. I dont even play on stars, but maybe I can use it to buy into a SnG or somethin

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Whatever way u want to transfer...if u are on Party just transfer to 'Thecutoff'. I dont play on there much, but its up to u.