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[scotty34]

Villain in this hand is 70/10/2. I have a note on him saying he called down with KQo unimproved after 3-betting PF and facing agression on each street.

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Preflop: Hero is CO with 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls.

Flop: (6.33 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls, BB folds.

Turn: (4.16 BB) 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button calls.

River: (6.16 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>

Yes?

[MoDOH]

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Villain in this hand is 70/10/2. I have a note on him saying he called down with KQo unimproved after 3-betting PF and facing agression on each street.

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That would make it more of a bet than a CR opportuniy don´t you think?

[slik]

going for the check raise on the river instead of just betting depends on villains aggression. i think there is too strong a chance he'll check behind if you go for the check raise, but will call with a wider range of hands if you bet. so i'd bet with a higher frequency than going for the check raise.

[scotty34]

With 70% VPIP and 2% AF, I think that qualifies as being aggressive. I'm pretty sure he would bet any pair, and would call with as poor as A high. He would probably bet as a bluff too, and call the C/R out of spite to see what I had.

[GetThere1Time]

I can dig it. 2 AF is a pretty large number for a guy with 70 VPIP

Bet. He's slightly aggressive, but your note said he likes to call. Who knows, he might even raise you.

[GetThere1Time]

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Bet. He's slightly aggressive, but your note said he likes to call. Who knows, he might even raise you.

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2 AF is a super high number for a guy with a VPIP of 70 so he's probably always going to bet when checked to and check behind on the river, like, never. The question is whether you sexy him or bet/3-bet him. I think a sexy is best though considering even a total LAG would have trouble popping the river when the innocuous 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif peels off, but he's still probably going to bet and call a raise with anything he calls the river with. Plus you make an extra bet when he bluffs.

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Bet. He's slightly aggressive, but your note said he likes to call. Who knows, he might even raise you.

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2 AF is a super high number for a guy with a VPIP of 70 so he's probably always going to bet when checked to and check behind on the river, like, never. The question is whether you sexy him or bet/3-bet him. I think a sexy is best though considering even a total LAG would have trouble popping the river when the innocuous 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif peels off, but he's still probably going to bet and call a raise with anything he calls the river with. Plus you make an extra bet when he bluffs.

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I'm not so sure the OP's stats on him are accurate or enough in sample size. He called for 3 streets in that hand with the note and called 2 streets already this hand. Even as a 70, it's hard to maintain a 2.0 factor doing that much calling. I'm biased though because IMO the sexy is over-rated.

i think this is a bad time for sexy. lots of weak pairs and A-highs on this board are just trying to get to SD cheaply. especially, with your read on the villain, bleh.

edit: as a side question, is this preflop raise standard for everyone? i dunno, that looks pretty thin to me.

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I'm biased though because IMO the sexy is over-rated.

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agreed. there are sooooo many calling stations in this game that are so loose it's almost impossible to put them on a hand. like button in OP's hand, he coldcalled preflop, called the flop and called the turn, the board is 8 high. what are you putting him on? his range is ridiculous. why give them the chance to check behind their crap when they're waiting to call?

[Drontier]

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Villain in this hand is 70/10/2. I have a note on him saying he called down with KQo unimproved after 3-betting PF and facing agression on each street.

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That would make it more of a bet than a CR opportuniy don´t you think?

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[Jeff W]

I disagree with most of the other posters. I think this is a good spot to checkraise.

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I disagree with most of the other posters. I think this is a good spot to checkraise.

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why? villain has done nothing but call/call/call on 3 streets. on a raggy 8 high board, you really think more hands are going to bet here than call?

i dunno, i respect your opinion but could you elaborate some?

[baronzeus]

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I disagree with most of the other posters. I think this is a good spot to checkraise.

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why? villain has done nothing but call/call/call on 3 streets. on a raggy 8 high board, you really think more hands are going to bet here than call?

i dunno, i respect your opinion but could you elaborate some?

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bk made a post in MHL about this type of hand. when you have the lead the whole way and give it up on the river you are bet at a TON by even passive players. so this spot is good enough to try.

[B Dids]

It's a nice line, but it's just not necessary at 3/6 and kinda dangerous. There's more risk of it getting checked through, plus, how often is he paying off the c/r?

Value bet. Value bet. Value bet.

[baronzeus]

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how often is he paying off the c/r?

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99.74%

[JoshuaD]

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edit: as a side question, is this preflop raise standard for everyone? i dunno, that looks pretty thin to me.

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Standard for me.

[B Dids]

Even 70/10 donks at 3/6 can fold here with nothing sometimes. I still don't like it.

[KDawgCometh]

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how often is he paying off the c/r?

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99.74%

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at this level?

if this was 5/10 6, then me likey, but he gets paid off a lot and it gets checked through enough I think to not pull this off

[B Dids]

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edit: as a side question, is this preflop raise standard for everyone? i dunno, that looks pretty thin to me.

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Standard for me.

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Really standard.

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how often is he paying off the c/r?

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99.74%

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Can you provide some documents containing evidence about that number? I think it may actually be a little higher than that. /images/graemlins/wink.gif