Adjusting to party 3-6

So I played abs for a while and wrecked them.
But im at party now, and yes, there are a lot of terrible players. But for whatever reason, I am just under breaking even. It could just be variance, but it could also be that my play is simply at a 2-4 abs level instead of a party 3-6.

How do I adjust my play here as opposed to what is normally recommended in SH games?

[B Dids]

Value bet.

Value bet.

Value bet.

Doing that. Specific other things?>

[gildwulf]

Your question is incredibly vague and you haven't given us much to work with in terms of stats. Maybe you should loosen up because you're missing a lot of +EV situations. Maybe you are limping too often and playing too loosely and need to tighten up. Who knows. Post stats if you want better responses than "value bet".

Vp 26%
PF Raise 16%
VPSB 36%
Folded SB to Steal 85%
Folded BB to Steal 63%
Attempts to Steal 30%
Won $ WSF 42%
Went to SD 35%
Won $ at SD 43%

Agression:
preflop 1.3
flop 2.75
turn 3.5
river 2.73
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total: 2.17




Im frequently following up a pre-flop raise with a flop bet. Maybe I should be checking behind on the turn more, or even checking infront? If stealing, it usually goes raise pre, bet flop, bet turn, check river. At 3-6 these guys dont usually raise the turn on me.

Your VPIP From the small blind resembles good play in a 1/2 BB structure, not a 1/3 structure. The $1 Small blind in the $3/$6 games requires that you tighten up a lot. Remove any two suited cards and smaller connectors. You most likely do not have the odds to call with them. Not sure for an exact target to shoot for but somewhere around 20-25% or so I believe.

Also, you could probably steal more. I would recommend around 35% in these games due to the decrease in blind money in the pot preflop.

You're also running extremely bad....43% Won$at showdown? Really? This is typically around 50-52% or so w/ your numbers.

Lozing

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You're also running extremely bad....43% Won$at showdown? Really? This is typically around 50-52% or so w/ your numbers.

Lozing

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Yes, this is very low, and sounds just like a run of bad luck. Over how many hands is this?

Maybe im showing down the right number of hands, just the wrong ones?

About 3.5k
Except the thing is, over the last 2.5 months ive had 2
-100bb swings, and 1 -200bb swing (plus the current -100bb swing). I'm wondering if there is something fundamentally wrong with my play, because for that many swings to happen isnt common in such a short time.

There is more variance at 3/6 SH. Last night I played for 6 hours (roughly 3500 hands also) and in the first 5 hours I was down 100 BB. In the next hour, I won 110 BB for a profit of 10 bets for the night. Your Won$at Showdown is most likely due to variance. I would take an active approach, however, and assume that it is your play. What harm can come from that?

I would post hands, and review hands posted on this site. I'm sure you're already doing that. If you think you are showing down some wrong hands, then post those hands that you are least certain about. I think that is the only way to learn. 3500 hands is statistically insignificant.

Lozing

When the swings are taken as a whole though, given that my SH play hasnt changed all that much, isnt that significant?

[Subfallen]

Disclaimer: I suck at poker, so maybe my perspective is colored by that fact.

I have had a similar experience. The nameless site I usually play at is inhabited by many opponents FAR more weak and passive than the Party 10/20'ers.

Sadly, the health of the 10/20 SH at this other site seems to be rapidly deteriorating. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Yes, it could possibly be that they are not downswings at all but, in fact, they show that you are not a winning player at that level. If you feel that is the case then you have two options: continue to lose (and learn) at your current level, or move back to your 2/4 ABS games.

If you established yourself as a good ABS 2/4 SH player I would assume that this is variance. I do not have enough SH experience as I just moved over from full ring a while ago. You should get other opinions on if these downswings are normal at this game or not.

My point really is that it doesn't matter too much what your results are. If you continue to improve your game the results will take care of themselves.

Also, your river aggression factor actually looks a little high to me but it could definitely be sample size. Your went to showdown number seems fine to me. Again, sample size could change this a few percentage points pretty easy.

I would do a post of some of the more common situations such as middle pair/top pair and start from there. See if you have the standard plays down and then move forward.

I don't think you'll really get much more out of a stats post. It appears that you are either being very unlucky or you are showing down the wrong hands. I'd start there and go over some hands.

Lozing