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dark_horse

09-29-2005, 03:53 AM

Hand 1

Spewing on the turn? I think this is my biggest personal weakness in hold'em. I often get aggressive in marginal spots when I "feel" like I am ahead. Sometimes I'm right, but sometimes I'm very wrong. I won't say what the case is here. This could be a trait that creates champion NL players, but limit losers. No significant read on villian. After 27 hands he is slightly loose.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, MP raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (15 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets, Button folds, Hero raises

dark_horse

09-29-2005, 03:58 AM

Often the fish play their hands this way, and when they donk the turn it could be weird but I've gotten used to it. In this case, I had no idea what to do though. Once both players called my raise (button cold calls, but could be on a flush draw) I couldn't be confident I was ahead. Even if I were, I could be outdrawn.

After 244 hands he is 67.6/7.7/1.54.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

dark_horse

09-29-2005, 04:02 AM

My turn raise was supposed to take care of two things. 1 - Make believe I was a slowplaying my trip aces in case he has me beat without an ace, and 2 - raising for a free showdown. If he 3bets or bets the river I have a decision to make. After only 88 hands, villian is 58/5.7/1.7.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, Hero raises, 2 folds, UTG calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (3.66 BB) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG bets, Hero raises, UTG calls.

River: (7.66 BB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

dark_horse

09-29-2005, 04:05 AM

Pretty sure I butchered this one. I definitely should have bet the turn, but was hoping for a "premature sexy." Villian is TAG. Was hoping he'd see my checking the turned 2nd card pairing as weakness and he'd bet so I can raise. Then the river. Villian is 25.4/17.8/2.15.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB folds, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, CO calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (6.16 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

kidcolin

09-29-2005, 04:09 AM

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Often the fish play their hands this way, and when they donk the turn it could be weird but I've gotten used to it. In this case, I had no idea what to do though. Once both players called my raise (button cold calls, but could be on a flush draw) I couldn't be confident I was ahead. Even if I were, I could be outdrawn.

After 244 hands he is 67.6/7.7/1.54.

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Preflop: Hero is UTG with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
Hero raises, 2 folds, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB bets, BB folds, Hero raises, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (7 BB) 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
SB bets, Hero folds, Button folds.

Final Pot: 8 BB

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Good turn fold. I don't know if I like your flop raise yet or not. It's better than calling with people behind you. Folding seems weak, but it might be best since the pot is so protected. Or is this one of the few instances where a "raise for info" is applicable?

Reads on Button would be nice.

kidcolin

09-29-2005, 04:11 AM

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Pretty sure I butchered this one. I definitely should have bet the turn, but was hoping for a "premature sexy." Villian is TAG. Was hoping he'd see my checking the turned 2nd card pairing as weakness and he'd bet so I can raise. Then the river. Villian is 25.4/17.8/2.15.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB folds, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, CO calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (6.16 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

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Very butchered. Lead the flop. CO raising is a good thing. Then either 3-bet or turn check-raise. The way you played it, you have to lead the turn. It's criminal not to. It'll get checked so often by KK, QQ, TT, etc.

dark_horse

09-29-2005, 04:12 AM

Another fun hand. Very confusing. CO is extremely loose. I could bet, but if either of my remaining opponents check-raise I have a nasty decision to make. OTOH, if I do check, I'm giving a free card on this nasty board. Yuck. Then of course the flush comes on the river, and I feel compelled to bet when no one bets the river for me. I guess the best play would have been to bet the turn and fold to a c/r. But if I were on a flushdraw and knew my player, I might make a bluff here with the c/r.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, 1 fold, CO calls, Hero raises, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, CO calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB calls, UTG folds, CO calls.

Turn: (5.66 BB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (5.66 BB) 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
BB checks, CO checks, Hero bets, BB folds, CO calls.

Final Pot: 7.66 BB

kidcolin

09-29-2005, 04:13 AM

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Hand 1

Spewing on the turn? I think this is my biggest personal weakness in hold'em. I often get aggressive in marginal spots when I "feel" like I am ahead. Sometimes I'm right, but sometimes I'm very wrong. I won't say what the case is here. This could be a trait that creates champion NL players, but limit losers. No significant read on villian. After 27 hands he is slightly loose.

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Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, MP raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (15 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets, Button folds, Hero raises

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I vote spew. Even if you're ahead river is going to be tricky OOP. I don't know if you should call down or fold.

Drontier

09-29-2005, 04:31 AM

this is fine

Drontier

09-29-2005, 04:31 AM

lead, if he raises flop call and c/r turn. otherwise keep on firing.

Robk

09-29-2005, 04:32 AM

i would have bet the river. betting the flop is an odd line for three aces, so we can discount that hand a bit. not to mention there are two on board. eights and small pocket pairs are a majority of his calling range. its ok to be losing sometimes when you value bet.

Drontier

09-29-2005, 04:33 AM

reads here besides his stats would be nice. I think I just call down and let him bluff the A if he wants to. Hes pretty aggro, just check call. You don't want 5 high to fold to your raise while it would have bluffed again on the river.
if you still feel ahead, raise river.

Drontier

09-29-2005, 04:35 AM

its a clarkmeister move. nh.

Drontier

09-29-2005, 04:36 AM

standard

dark_horse

09-29-2005, 04:36 AM

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its a clarkmeister move. nh.

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explain!

Drontier

09-29-2005, 04:38 AM

you force the third player to pay 2 cold so if you behind you at least have clean outs. He will be much less inclined to call with midpair A kick. You also have fold equity as you represent a monster right now. And third if he calls, you check a non A K river, as he will be scared as hell of being c/r again that he will rarely bet. If he bets, calling or folding both have its merits.

Moozh

09-29-2005, 04:43 AM

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Pretty sure I butchered this one. I definitely should have bet the turn, but was hoping for a "premature sexy." Villian is TAG. Was hoping he'd see my checking the turned 2nd card pairing as weakness and he'd bet so I can raise. Then the river. Villian is 25.4/17.8/2.15.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB folds, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, CO calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (6.16 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

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Very butchered. Lead the flop. CO raising is a good thing. Then either 3-bet or turn check-raise. The way you played it, you have to lead the turn. It's criminal not to. It'll get checked so often by KK, QQ, TT, etc.

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What he said is good, except I really don't like the river fold. He's not checking the turn through with a jack, so are you that sure he has one of the two aces?

Moozh

09-29-2005, 04:46 AM

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Hand 1

Spewing on the turn? I think this is my biggest personal weakness in hold'em. I often get aggressive in marginal spots when I "feel" like I am ahead. Sometimes I'm right, but sometimes I'm very wrong. I won't say what the case is here. This could be a trait that creates champion NL players, but limit losers. No significant read on villian. After 27 hands he is slightly loose.

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, MP raises, 1 fold, Button calls, Hero 3-bets, BB calls, UTG calls, MP calls, Button calls.

Flop: (15 SB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 5/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif (5 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, UTG checks, MP bets, Button calls, Hero calls, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (9.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (4 players)
Hero checks, BB checks, MP bets, Button folds, Hero raises

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Take a second and think about your three options here. You can fold, but that would be silly in a pot this big. You can call, which is reasonable. Or, you can raise. What does raising get you? The pot is huge. Maybe it's good if you can get a hand that has you reverse-dominated to fold, but other than that I see no point to it. You certainly aren't going to win this unimproved.

kidcolin

09-29-2005, 01:47 PM

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Pretty sure I butchered this one. I definitely should have bet the turn, but was hoping for a "premature sexy." Villian is TAG. Was hoping he'd see my checking the turned 2nd card pairing as weakness and he'd bet so I can raise. Then the river. Villian is 25.4/17.8/2.15.

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Preflop: Hero is MP with 2/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
UTG calls, Hero calls, CO raises, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
BB folds, UTG checks, Hero checks, CO bets, UTG folds, Hero raises, CO calls.

Turn: (6.16 BB) J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO checks.

River: (6.16 BB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 7.16 BB

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Very butchered. Lead the flop. CO raising is a good thing. Then either 3-bet or turn check-raise. The way you played it, you have to lead the turn. It's criminal not to. It'll get checked so often by KK, QQ, TT, etc.

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What he said is good, except I really don't like the river fold. He's not checking the turn through with a jack, so are you that sure he has one of the two aces?

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Crap I didn't even think of that. Yeah I look him up here.

By the way, all these hands in one thread makes it confusing as hell for those of us who use flat mode. Break it up next time.

dark_horse

09-29-2005, 02:30 PM

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By the way, all these hands in one thread makes it confusing as hell for those of us who use flat mode. Break it up next time.

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Didn't want to flood the board and wanted to post all the hands at the end of my session. I thought this would be a good and tidy idea. No?

kidcolin

09-29-2005, 03:39 PM

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By the way, all these hands in one thread makes it confusing as hell for those of us who use flat mode. Break it up next time.

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Didn't want to flood the board and wanted to post all the hands at the end of my session. I thought this would be a good and tidy idea. No?

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Then post less hands maybe? Narrow it down two or three hands per post, and put them all in the first post, and label them Hand X. That was people can reply and say "Hand 1:..".

dark_horse

09-29-2005, 03:45 PM

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By the way, all these hands in one thread makes it confusing as hell for those of us who use flat mode. Break it up next time.

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Didn't want to flood the board and wanted to post all the hands at the end of my session. I thought this would be a good and tidy idea. No?

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Then post less hands maybe? Narrow it down two or three hands per post, and put them all in the first post, and label them Hand X. That was people can reply and say "Hand 1:..".

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Yes, that's the way I'd been doing it. This was an experiment. When I'd post multiple hands in one posting, I'd normally do it when the hands were the same, i.e. "3 AQ hands."