3/6 6m JT blind steal

[jason_t]

This little 21/16 [censored] has been 3-betting my blind steals all night.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls.

Flop: (9 SB) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB calls.

Turn: (5.50 BB) 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero

I want to check behind.

[kurosh]

Why? Bet and call a raise. Bet the river if he calls the turn.

[baronzeus]

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Why? Bet and call a raise. Bet the river if he calls the turn.

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yup. he will call with Ax unless he is weak tight.

[jason_t]

He's either drawing dead or I am beat.

[B Dids]

That's an awfully specific read for a guy who's been 3-betting you left and right.

I agree with kurosh, there are no monsters, bet and call down if raised.

Does capping preflop really do that much for you here? Especially since you seem very willing to think that he's got a better hand than you?

[dumb ox]

With only two diamonds that beat you (and definitely with the A out) I would bet every time. Or are you thinking you can get him to bluff?

Why did you cap the flop? Unless his reraises have been very frequent, I would guess you're beaten preflop.

[casinogosain]

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I want to check behind.

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Check the turn, raise the river.

-Ash

[B Dids]

If he is drawing dead, he's still likely paying you off some.

[jason_t]

With what? He doesn't appear to have an A as I would expect that to be pushed harder on the flop.

[baronzeus]

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With what? He doesn't appear to have an A as I would expect that to be pushed harder on the flop.

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you capped preflop. it's likely he's in calldown mode.

[B Dids]

A weak ace that wanted to raise the turn but couldn't?

If you think he's not paying off a turn AND river bet with jank, I can see checking behind and trying to coax more out of him on the river. Depends on what you think of him and what he thinks of you. This being 3/6, I think that when confused/unclear, I like the default value bet.

[kurosh]

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With what? He doesn't appear to have an A as I would expect that to be pushed harder on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]People like to think you're full of [censored]. You'll get called down with any PP, any pair and a lot of other crap. You'll do much better if you focus on extracting bets when you're ahead, as opposed to inducing bluffs.

[Drontier]

why in the world would u cap pf? but bet here is fine, I like it when he represents a flsuh and you call him down.

[bakku]

turn check is good, just call a river bet. bet if checked to on the river and call a c/r.

[jba]

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He's either drawing dead or I am beat.

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many times that he is behind, he has no idea he is drawing dead. He is going to call both streets for you when behind so often that it makes up for anything else you could be thinking about.

poor kid could have a set right now.

[SinCityGuy]

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This little 21/16 [censored] has been 3-betting my blind steals all night.

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Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

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Hero caps

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And it looks like he's got you on tilt.

[B Dids]

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This little 21/16 [censored] has been 3-betting my blind steals all night.

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Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif

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Hero caps

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And it looks like he's got you on tilt.

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This is a pretty simplistic view of HU play. If the guy has been 3-betting him all night, nothing wrong with throwing a cap back at him a few times.

Don't do it every time obv, but nobody dies if it happens once or twice.

(I'm not saying that I love a cap here, but to call it "tilt" is missing the point).

[Moozh]

Is this a '2+2 level' thinking player? Does he know who you are? If he's ABC, I'd probably just bet. If he's deeper, I might check the turn.

[Entity]

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turn check is good, just call a river bet. bet if checked to on the river and call a c/r.

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Normally that's my line. That's not my line here. If the situation has gotten so out of line in the blind steal-resteal dynamic, I think jason has to continue betting here.

There are a few reasons for this:

1) I don't particularly want villain to know that I'm going to be capping against him with JTo, though I do need him to know that I can and will cap against him frequently if he continues to resteal.

2) I need to establish the fact that against me, if you intend to peel the flop lightly or call down, you will often be doing so at a cost of 2.5BB, not 1.5BB.

3) If villain is willing to call me down with 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif6/images/graemlins/spade.gif or 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, I expect to earn full value from the hand.

Rob

[oreogod]

Va con su leído mi amigo. Si u piensa los hes que doblan la vuelta después el cheque, si los hes más probablemente para pagar apagado un río apuestan que la apuesta. Si hes un retraso... que es entonces hes probables de la vuelta de la apuesta que llaman abajo con las porciones. Vaya con su tripa.

[oreogod]

[censored]..babelfish will not translate that right for u (because its [censored] lame). Sum up is:

Go with your read. If u think hes folding the turn then check if hes more likely to pay off a river bet than turn bet. If hes a retard (always possible or a 2+2er w/ a vengence)...then bet turn hes calling down with lots. Go with your gut.

Actually now that I think about this, this post is kind of useless and provides nothing new to this thread.

[jason_t]

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Va con su leído mi amigo. Si u piensa los hes que doblan la vuelta después el cheque, si los hes más probablemente para pagar apagado un río apuestan que la apuesta. Si hes un retraso... que es entonces hes probables de la vuelta de la apuesta que llaman abajo con las porciones. Vaya con su tripa.

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Nerozumim.

[Transference]

I read the responses then decided to just wipe the slate clean and look at the hand.

I don't see the purpose of capping preflop regardless of what this guys been doing. Punish him with your high cards, use hands like these let him spew when they hit.

I think we need to bet the turn simply because he is calling down with any diamond. Were ahead of more than were behind and weve got position. His range seems pretty tremendous in this situation. Your getting your value bet on the turn here not the river since hes unlikely to call it with a worse hand, hes also in an awkard position to try to steal (which of course he cant).

[PatJ]

Me gustaria leer mas en espanol, pero solo si hay un translacion a bajo.

er my spansish sucks,