Commerce's rude players

Stayed a week at the Commerce Casino..just got back. Great card room..unparalleled action. Maybe too much action. When you have six people trying desperately to outdraw the best hand, too often one of them hits.

My comment is about management and their failure to control abusive and disruptive behavior by their "regulars". If you have only played in Vegas, you will be astounded by the misbehavior of the players at the Commerce. I witnessed many outbursts and even a fist fight between two players. The only disciplinary action I saw was a twenty minute "time-out" mandated after one very rude spanish man kept calling the female dealers whores in his native tongue. I spoke up after he uttered this obscenity about the hundredth time. I didn't want to call the floor because he was a stone maniac. One hand in particular was evidentiary of his standard betting practices. He grinned after capping my pocket aces with split tens. My door card was a ten, by the way. I welcomed the action, four way. One other legitimate hand calling, a man that held live pocket jacks.The final caller was an asian man that considered each raise to be a personal affront to his manhood and kept splashing the pot with his chips. I had hit an ace on five and caught the case ten on six, filling my hand. This man, I had nicknamed him "El Toro" which when I saw he actually had the nerve to show his unimproved tens at the river I changed to "El Loco". He informed me later that he was down 7K in four days. Surpise surprise.

The dealers at the Commerce amazed me, suffering abuse with nary a word of protest, cards thrown back at them with such hostility and force at the end of a hand that I winced along with them. I spoke to the card room floor managers and they agreed that misbehavior was blatant and regular but seemed to be at a loss on how to deal with it.

One evening in particular it was quite late, about 3:30 a.m. I was hesitant to retire for the night because I was winning a considerable amount at the 15-30 stud. Two men broke out into a heated argument with one man threatening to force the other to swallow the one tooth that was all too evident in his slackened mouth. I arose and went to bed thinking how foolish these regulars are to chase live chips from the table.

Am undecided on whether to return to Commerce. I may just save up my air miles for Vegas. At least the floor quells blatant abuse from players, realizing that there are no winners when bad behavior is over-looked and tolerated.


Thanks for the ear.

Commerce management does a pathetic job at controlling player behavior. It was the only significant problem with the cardroom. But, it was a gigantic one.

The players are indeed incredibly rude at Commerce. How intelligent people can blame the dealer for what cards they get or which cards come out on the flop is a mystery to me.


Today, a player who was rivered threw his cards at the dealer. The dealer, to his credit, said, very quietly, "Easy, sir." The idiot got up to go to another game and I complimented the dealer, telling him he really handled that extremely well. The dealer thanked me and told me he's trying to control his own temper.


Far too many of the players in the games I play in (20-40, 30-60, 40-80) treat the dealers as if they were servants or barely human. The words "please" and "thank you" are rarely uttered. Asian dealers in particular are treated with disrespect. It's disgusting, the part of playing poker in a public cardroom I hate.

I was playing 15-30 at Commerce about one week ago. Four players in the game were throwing cards at the dealer, who said nothing. I called a floorman and asked him if it was ok for me to throw cards at the dealer. (I of course new the answer and just wanted to start a dialogue) He said "No" and if I did, I would be penalized.


I then told him there were four players who had thrown cards. I told him that I would not continue to play under those conditions since it was an unpleasant atmosphere. Two of the non-throwers chimed in and verified my complaint.


The floor man issued a warning to all and that ended the throwing.

Maybe it depends on how well you know the floormen. I have personally been responsible for 3 people being kicked out of the casino (once at commerce). Granted they were live ones who were kicked out so financially it may not have been the best decision but sometimes their money isn't worth winning. Here's the example at Commerce: A live and very discourteous player complained that some move was made out of turn, he was incorrect and the dealer pointed this out. The guy says "f-ck you" to the dealer, I calmly say "he's right" and politely explain the situation in one sentence, the guy now proceeds to say to me "hey f-ck you kid, I didn't f-cking ask you". So I reply politely one more time "calm down its not a big deal don't get all huffy at me" then he says "shut the f-uck up" to me. Well now I get pissed and say "f-ck you, treat people with respect and don't even think about saying that shit to me again". He then says "I'll kick your ass in the parking lot motherf-cker". The funny part of this story is that the floor man was standing behind him by the time he uttered his threat at me, and I just smiled and said "whatever". Then the floorman told him to calm down, anyway, he told the floorman the situation that originally got him all pissed in the first place, the floorman confirmed that the dealer and I were correct and that if he said anything else he would be asked to leave the game for 20 minutes. Anyway now the guy utters some comments in some foreign language under his breath towards the floorman, then finally sits down. Now I say "see you should have just listened in the first place". Now he goes off again saying f-ck this and f-ck that to me and then the floorman kicked him out. So yeah even though the management at Commerce is pretty marginal at best, sometimes they get it right.

Well thats my boring story, sorry to those who actually read this far :-)


Kris

"I didn't want to call the floor because he was a stone maniac.


You have to muster up the courage to tell the floorman while it's occurring. Don't wait until the end of your session to let the floorman know how you feel. Also, don't take the attitude that the floor should just Know. Everybody has a different tolerance level, so what's bothering you may not be bugging the guy next to you. Don't be a wimp, wave the floorman over and point out the offenders. The floorman WILL speak to them. And if they start doing it again, wave him back over. Works every time. Guaranteed.

I haven't played in LA since the 80's but don't remember anything like this.


Any guess as to the reason for such poor behavior?


It sure seems to me when I visit LA that people seem to be wound tight, much more so than when I grew up there.


I quit games all the time because something annoyed me. I don't think I could tolerate this at all?

I've only been playing on-line for a few weeks.


But it's just so damn PLEASANT. No smoke. No thrown cards. No whining. No angle shooting. No one acting like a small child. No drinks spilled on me. No chips or cards with SNOT on them. If someone holds up the action, they've got 15 seconds, and that's it. If there's a loudmouth at the table, you just turn off the chat.


I haven't played in a B+M room since.


Bobby


(Of course, there ARE no B+M rooms on this god-foresaken island...)

Haven't thought about it much, but even if I did, I don't know if I could give you an answer. Maybe, at the stakes I play, there are some people who, if they lose, it really hurts them financially, so they're uptight about that. The, too, maybe it's an incremental thing, they get away with a little bit, then a little bit more, and soon they're full-blown jerks.


But I honestly don't know. Maybe it's not as bad as I've made out, the minority who are rude sticking in my mind more than the majority who are not.

The 20 minute "time-out" is a joke. The guy usually comes back twice as obnxious as before. I'd be in favor of a 24 hour ban. You throw cards at the dealer, or use an obscenity at a dealer or another player, or you break or bend the cards in anger, you're out of there and you can't play for 24 hours. A sewcond violation is 48 hours, and 3 strikes and you're out permanently.

Amazing! I just left California. I just left the Commerce. I was going to write about my experience. No need to. Desire said it all. The Commerce Casino may be the best place in this country, bar none, to play poker. That's for another post. But never have I experienced such rudeness (tolerated) accross the board from players as I did at the Commerce. It is amazing. And it is all from regulars that frequent the mid limit games. Enough said except that each person that plays there should lodge a complaint with management. Something desires post has prompted me to do the next time I visit the Commerce.


Vince

While I was at the Commerce (for just half a week), I only played as high as 6-12 Hold'em and 10-20 Stud. But, card-throwing and cursing at dealers was still commonplace, especially in the early morning hours. Even at the 4-8 limits, players were outrageously obnoxious.

Well, like I said, I don't really know what it is, I was trying to figure it out. Maybe there is some validity, then, to the idea that they let the players get away with things an inch at a time until it's almost out of hand.

Where do you live Bobby?

ahhh...I ran into a similar situation on the weekend when an obnoxious player insulted one of my FAVORITE dealers (in my fact, my absolute favorite).


I then made a point of busting him out. As he was getting up, I counted out how much he had put into the last pot and gave it to the dealer, with the announcement "Oh dealer, here's HIS last $22".


Fair to say this comment ensured he and I won't be friendly again any time soon...

i have witnessed very rude behavior in the cardrooms in LA and here in the chicagoland area. i have slammed cards on the table before, but never thrown them at anybody. i also always make it a point to show courtesy to the dealer, even if i have a problem with the dealer. but there are many times that i find myself in a game with a rude, obnoxious player (male and female...) who is giving the dealer a hard time. as i am 6'2" and i weigh approximately 260 pounds, i can usually have a bit of an intimidating presence when i want to. most people usually shut right the hell up becuase i won't tolerate their crap, and they don't want to piss me off. i am actually a pretty passive, gentle guy, but i don't let stuff go if it is truly out of line. if anybody told me they'd kick my ass in the parking lot id take them up on it, and id probably have half the table with me... sometimes i wish i could have been there in circumstances like that, just to see the look on the guy's face when i stood up and told him to shut up...

nice move... gutsy. id have just kicked his ass...