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twolf
09-28-2005, 07:39 PM
Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($67.18)
UTG+1 ($11.72)
UTG+2 ($24.75)
MP1 ($46.30)
MP2 ($28.28)
MP3 ($19.50)
CO ($13.70)
Button ($27.95)
SB ($45.65)
Hero ($33)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks intending to fold to a bet. Good? Should be common practice?

Spellmen
09-28-2005, 08:31 PM
You have the nuts, bet it. You can reconsider given your opponents actions, but planning to check/fold right here and now is terribly weak

flawless_victory
09-28-2005, 08:48 PM
checking planning to fold is pretty stupid... check planning to see what happens... folding, of course, may be a fine play if there is action.

09-28-2005, 08:51 PM
Whoa! Sure, you have the current nuts and no redraws, but check-folding on the flop is pretty weak.

You have a couple of options here. You can lead out and hope to narrow the field, possibly picking up the small pot, which wouldn't be bad. In this case, the turn card will serve to guide you future decisions. If a blank falls, fire away.

The other option is to go for the check/raise. If you whiff, you can then just pot the turn and hopefully pick it up right there.

The worst thing that could happen is for you to lead on the flop and get raised. You could consider laying it down then, but wait to see what happens before deciding to basically muck the current nuts.

09-28-2005, 10:56 PM
check call and bet turn if nothing scary came wouldn't be bad either. i tend to bet out and see what happens. raise means i depart.

09-29-2005, 10:02 AM
I would check/call to keep the pot relatively small and fire away on the turn if a blank comes (about even money). If I'm raised on the turn, getting freerolled would be too much of a threat and I could lay down the hand, losing a not too big investment. Does it make sense?

FRC

DRKEVDC
09-29-2005, 10:11 AM
Check folding the nuts on the flop is a very weak tight play.

twolf
09-29-2005, 12:20 PM
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Check folding the nuts on the flop is a very weak tight play.

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I agree but folding in an unraised pot that has lots of people in it just seems like fun and provides nice discussion. Anyways the hand was easier than originally thought...

Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG ($67.18)
UTG+1 ($11.72)
UTG+2 ($24.75)
MP1 ($46.30)
MP2 ($28.28)
MP3 ($19.50)
CO ($13.70)
Button ($27.95)
SB ($45.65)
Hero ($33)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 7/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls $0.25, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.50) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, UTG checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Button checks.

Turn: ($1.50) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets $1.45</font>, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $2.95

If the turn is a blank I'm not sure if I would bet or not though.

DeezNutz3
09-29-2005, 04:06 PM
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If the turn is a blank I'm not sure if I would bet or not though.

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I'm interested to see what you need to bet pot here.

DRKEVDC
09-29-2005, 04:26 PM
You are just busting our stones here right?

twolf
09-29-2005, 05:21 PM
Anything that I feel is +EV. Show me why this bet is positive EV against hands that will call and I will tell you I am a pussy and might learn.

mike l.
10-01-2005, 02:27 PM
if your opponents played well then it might make sense to chcek-fold this on the flop. but since it's micro limit and they play bad as a rule it's silly (meaning -EV) to not put some action in on the flop here.

10-01-2005, 10:15 PM
just a little side note...I was in this hand and flopped the same nuts no redraw and folded to turn bet too. don't remember what position I was in but clearly remember flopping nut checking and folding when that eight hit

FlyingSumo
10-02-2005, 12:20 AM
I don't know what levels you guys consider the .25 BB to be at, but nuts on flop in general is all-in for me.

Potbet the flop, if someone reraise, don't be surprised if it turns out you have 4 clean redraws, in addition to runnerfullhouse.

I would probably potbet a set here as well.

jj_frap
10-02-2005, 02:14 PM
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I don't know what levels you guys consider the .25 BB to be at.

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I'm not a very good player and I've played it very profitably since July. .25 Omaha is the biggest aquarium in all of poker.