Old Dynasty-style preflop question.

[gonores]

Bellagio 80-160 game from the weekend.

Decent playing UTG+1 raises. Folded to CO who accidentally mucks red fives face up (the face up part was an accident, not the mucking). I'm in the big blind with....black 55. I know it's sorta stupid, but it's sorta interesting too, since it scrapes on the intrinsic set value of small pairs in this spot. Fold or call?

[haakee]

I would fold. I would probably also fold if I didn't see the other 5s exposed.

[PokerCad]

LOL,,,LOL,, you are a much better player than mehttp://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/images/icons/crazy.gif
crazy I'm guessin' you did the right thing,,lol

[Nightwish]

I would fold, but if I decided to come in, I'd much rather 3-bet than call. You give yourself the best chance to win this pot by taking initiative early. Still, I think 3-betting and calling are both far inferior to folding.

[Mikey]

fold.

I remember a situation simlar to this happened at the TROP when I was playing the pink game.

I was running hot and I mean red hot catching the cards hitting the flops I was crushing the oppossositon it was one of those nights where I had AT

the flop came T 3 5 turn and river were A A.

I was hot.

UTG accidentanly folded a 7 face up. I look down and see 77, i'm like duh FOLD.

Friggin flop hit a 7.

I was like "damnit!!"

[skp]

I would fold given no chance of hitting a set. More interesting question is if the exposed cards were 65. I can't understand why Haakee would fold even if nothing was exposed.

[Nightwish]

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I would fold given no chance of hitting a set. More interesting question is if the exposed cards were 65. I can't understand why Haakee would fold even if nothing was exposed.

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Because you're getting 2.33:1 and are playing pretty much for set value. You need to make roughly 4 BB postflop those times that you hit a set, and it's doubtful that you'll be able to do it heads up (though it's obviously a little more likely if you were sure that the BB would come along).

[Justin A]

This is about the time I laugh and flip my hand face up, and the whole table can have a good laugh.

[ike]

I agree with haakee. Unless my opponent is raising over 20% and/or playing very badly postflop this is a routine fold even without the exposed cards. Calling now wouldn't even be crazy it would just be stupid.

[Lawrence Ng]

3-bet.

Lawrence

[Paluka]

I do not think this is even close to a call. I think folding is probably correct if you only see one 5.

[andyfox]

I'd probably fold also even if no cards were exposed. I'm out of position against a guy hwho plays well and, given it's 80-160 is probably aggressive. If I knew he was A-B-C, or very passive, or otherwise easy to push around, it would be a different story.

[surfdoc]

Unless he is capable of raising 22-44 this seems like a super easy fold. You are either a slight favorite or a huge dog. I am wondering why you posted this since there has to be some higher level thinking that is escaping my simple brain.

I would love for the dabate on what to do if you don't see any exposed cards to continue since that is a common situation and much more difficult.

[danderso8]

wasn't there a tommy article about a person who had zero outs because of an exposed pair like this, but went on to win the hand anyway?

that was funny, wish i could find it...

[PokerBabe(aka)]

Easy fold for obvious reasons.
sorry I missed you this last weekend but Tommy and Clark didn't tell me that there was a party at WYNN.


LGPG

Babe

[BarronVangorToth]

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I would fold. I would probably also fold if I didn't see the other 5s exposed.

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Only one of these sentences I agree with.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[gonores]

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You are either a slight favorite or a huge dog.

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Actually, I'm either a small dog or a practically dead dog.

[gonores]

I folded. Quietly. Had it been 30/60 or lower, I probably would have showed and giggled and ordered a beer, but I figured folding a pair face-up in the BB, even with the other 5s exposed, was still giving away too much info. I don't want to give anyone any more excuses to eye my blinds.

I'm surprised people advocate folding here without the exposed cards. You don't just have to play 55 for set value. It's not terrible in and of itself. Look for favorable ten-high flops or worse or one broadway card flops where you can easily define your hand and a pair at 3.5:1 has to be profitable.

[andyfox]

Small dog: 43.6% against As Qc
Almost dead dog: 2.6% against Ac As

[mr_jmac]

Hey,

What about the guy who folded accidentally ... against a solid player who i feel i don't have much of an edge over post flop i fold everytime in this spot.

Correct?

[flawless_victory]

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3-bet.

Lawrence

[/ QUOTE ]do you actually play holdem?

[flawless_victory]

looks like an easy fold with one five exposed... with no fives exposed, the played description is not detailed enough, but it is kinda 50/50.

[haakee]

Andy expressed exactly why I would consider folding 55 without exposed cards. I doubt there's much of an EV difference in calling or folding.