I'll start raising these rivers

[dhaimon]

Villain is 40/11/1.75

This is an obvious river checkraise right?


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Preflop: Hero is UTG with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Button calls, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (9 SB) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, Button calls, SB calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, SB folds, Hero calls, MP calls.

River: (12.50 BB) 3/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, MP checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, MP folds.

Final Pot: 14.50 BB


Going to school, I'll check back on comments later.

[ArturiusX]

I think I like a turn 3-bet better. Charge mp for his draw.

[meanjean]

I dunno....did he gutshot you?

It look like either two pair, a straight, or a small set...do you fold if the villian raises you back on the river?

I don't understand why you'd reraise the turn.

I'm interested in what people think and why....I personally would just call down with the straight out there...but I may suck

[Poldi]

I dont like a river CR as it is much easier to go for the overcall from MP and he certainly is not calling 2 cold. You will lose 2 bets if Button has you beat.
I would consider leading the river though as I would hate my overpair getting checked around. If you think Button will fire for sure anyways, you played it right imo.

[timprov]

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I think I like a turn 3-bet better. Charge mp for his draw.

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On the turn we're ahead of what, KQ, QT, and air? Not a great three-betting spot.

I favor bet-call over checkraise on the river.

[MoDOH]

Yeah it looks like a CR for sure. That 3 is a complete blank as far as BT is concerned and any made hand he got on the turn he will bet on the river. Against really aggressive opponents I like to bet-raise this river, with a calling station in between it´s even yummier...

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On the turn we're ahead of what, KQ, QT, and air? Not a great three-betting spot.

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um, KQ, AQ, Q10, Q8, Q7 Qrules card, flush semi bluff, straight semi bluff and yeah air.

I dont understand your logic as to why this is not a good spot to 3bet. This guy is not passive and hes night tight, his range is huge.

[MoDOH]

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I dont understand your logic as to why this is not a good spot to 3bet. This guy is not passive and hes night tight, his range is huge.

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Well first of all he raised a protected pot and this board isn´t what I would call a standard board to bluff at. unless he is a total donk he can´t expect someone who raised preflop bet the flop into 4 opponents got called by all four and still bet the turn to fold to his raise? No this is a raise for value 99 times out of a 100, of that i am sure...

[dhaimon]

The reason I want to raise the river is because every two pair hand out there just got counterfeited, and JT QT missed, but still may call a river raise.

I believe the turn is a bad spot to 3-bet while the river is an excellent spot to checkraise or bet/call. (if I checkraise I fold to a 3-bet.

[Subfallen]

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(if I checkraise I fold to a 3-bet.

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NO you do not fold to a 3-bet. I repeat, YOU DO NOT fold the effective nut two pair for one more in a 17.5 BB pot against an aggro opponent...just NO. Personally I bet/call the river.

[MoDOH]

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if I checkraise I fold to a 3-bet.

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yikes... that´s just awful... No way you can fold this...

maybe in a live game and you have a super read on the guy you just might... but only just...

[dhaimon]

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(if I checkraise I fold to a 3-bet.

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NO you do not fold to a 3-bet. I repeat, YOU DO NOT fold the effective nut two pair for one more in a 17.5 BB pot against an aggro opponent...just NO. Personally I bet/call the river.

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He is NOT a maniac, what on earth will he 3-bet here that my pansy KK will beat? QJ? I doubt it.

Though I might not have taken the huge pot size into consideration when I wrote that.