One More Preflop Poll: Raising on the Button

[BoxTree]

Do the following hands have enough equity (or other reasons) to raise on the button?

In each case, assume there are three limpers in front of you, at least one of the two blinds is likely to call, and a limp/3-bet is a very remote possibility.

FWIW, I play a live Commerce 20/40 game that is generally loose-typical preflop and weak-to-typical postflop.

[Evan]

I raised the three in the middle. I'd raise the other two at times (and not all that infrequently) but I think calling is my default.

[BoxTree]

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I raised the three in the middle.

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I'm curious why your default play is to raise KTs.

[Entity]

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I raised the three in the middle. I'd raise the other two at times (and not all that infrequently) but I think calling is my default.

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I tend to the same, though depending on the limpers I'd probably raise all 5 with reasonable frequency.

Rob

[Evan]

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I raised the three in the middle.

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I'm curious why your default play is to raise KTs.

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I'm not really sure how to answer that. I think I have enough equity? I have position? I play better than them? That's basically why I raise any hand.

[BoxTree]

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I raised the three in the middle.

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I'm curious why your default play is to raise KTs.

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I'm not really sure how to answer that. I think I have enough equity? I have position? I play better than them? That's basically why I raise any hand.

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That's fine. I'm just wondering why KTs passes the test (but not A8s, for example). In both cases, your position is the same and your ability to play better than your opponents should be the same. So...does it just come down to a matter of equity? And then, KTs has more equity than A8s? I dunno. Maybe?

[Evan]

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KTs has more equity than A8s?

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I think it does.

[Entity]

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KTs has more equity than A8s?

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I think it does.

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Hand 1: 19.0062 % 17.66% 01.35% { TT-33, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, AKo, ATo-A2o, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 19.0262 % 17.69% 01.34% { TT-33, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, AKo, ATo-A2o, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 3: 18.9800 % 17.65% 01.33% { TT-33, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, AKo, ATo-A2o, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 4: 26.1116 % 24.71% 01.41% { KTs }
Hand 5: 16.8759 % 15.98% 00.90% { random }

Hand 1: 19.3333 % 17.96% 01.37% { TT-33, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, AKo, ATo-A2o, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 2: 19.4448 % 18.08% 01.36% { TT-33, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, AKo, ATo-A2o, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 3: 19.4325 % 18.07% 01.37% { TT-33, ATs-A2s, K2s+, Q2s+, J4s+, T6s+, 96s+, 86s+, 76s, 65s, AKo, ATo-A2o, K5o+, Q7o+, J7o+, T8o+, 98o }
Hand 4: 24.7321 % 22.68% 02.05% { A8s }
Hand 5: 17.0574 % 16.14% 00.91% { random }

[BoxTree]

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KTs has more equity than A8s?

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I think it does.

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Yeah, I'm inclined to agree. If the pot is multiway and someone is holding a crappy ace, your equity goes down. It seems less likely that someone will be holding a crappy king in a multiway pot. So, you're a bit more likely to actually hit a king than an ace.

That and the fact that KT makes more straights than A8. And T > 8.

[BoxTree]

The difference between 99 and 88 is interesting. I've always drawn the line at TT, but I may have to rethink this.

Entity, if you could run the analyses for 99 and 88, I'd be much obliged. (What program is that? It doesn't look like Stove.)

[private joker]

Some hands are raises online but not live. Live games just tend to play differently, and not only are there hands that I raise online and limp live, but hands I raise/limp live and limp/fold online.

[thirddan]

a pair of T is also more likely to win the pot than a pair of 8's...

[cbragado]

I'd rather have A8s vs. KTs in a multiway pot on the button, but it's close though. I like just calling w/ A8s and KTs though, raising with the rest. I'd play them the same before the flop, but the ace rag hand is slightly better than the king rag hand, imo.

[BoxTree]

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a pair of T is also more likely to win the pot than a pair of 8's...

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I edited my post to reflect this.