"Official" Live at the Bike thread (9/26)

[Kevmath]

Tonight's show will be the return of low limit poker, being 8-16 limit. Last Friday's game had about 2 hours of not much happening poker until the appearance of former MTG professional Ben Rubin, who took over the table the last hour winning a couple of large pots. Who knows who'll turn up tonight, so head to www.liveatthebike.com (http://www.liveatthebike.com) from 6-9pm PT to follow the action.

[cwsiggy]

Haven't seen a limit game in a while. I need practice with this anyway. Time to stop playing 2-4 at B&M and step up. Boy - People weren't kidding when they said 8-16 isn't that much harder than the lower limits. Just people with more $!!

[Kevmath]

Was 30/60 now available tonight? If you're going to call a 8/16 game "Bingo", why bother?

[cwsiggy]

All the classic wrong pre flop decisions. Ax, any two suited, anything from the SB. I love it.

[hunterking]

i want to see a closeup shot of the chips!!!

[Kevmath]

The PPT on ESPN isn't a done deal yet, as the Travel Channel is suing WPTE.

[cwsiggy]

With a classic 10% max rake up to $4 (East coast) - what game starts to be more profitable with regard to rake? I'll just assume as you go up in limits the rake effect dwindles accordingly. And at what limits do most casinos start taking time charges.

[cwsiggy]

Pickled Egg" went deep again in another big online tourney. Stars 700k. Bill Gazes is the new rumour.

[poker327]

PPT mostly has the top players, but allows the casinos to invite about five players, and also WPT announcers.

[cwsiggy]

Good lord, the guy who had the winning full house didn't raise? yikes.

The guy with K 10 was all in. He 4 bet the flop. What I don't understand is how the guy with the set of 6's didn't go apeshit raising his hand. he could have at least got a little money back out of a side pot with the flopped straight.

[Kevmath]

WPTE put up the 500k for each of the 5 PPT events.
There were up to 18 exemptions (8 casino, 10 WPTE)
They only paid 6 people.
The final table was usually 10 days after the first two days of the PPT event were held.
Reading the reports of the PPT, it seemed they were set up to at least have a televised table during the event, setting up for multiple shows for each PPT tournament.

[cwsiggy]

Now is this different from the Professional Poker League or whatever it's called with teams that Barry Greenstein was talking about?

Vince Van Paten used to be a pro tennis player and has announced past world series of poker main events in the past

amberbock is the sponser for wpt

[cwsiggy]

Isn't whistling a huge tell usually? Like monster 2 pair on flop.

[Kevmath]

Who got into the PPT in the beginning:

There are 1, 2 and 3 year cards given out (like a PGA Tour card)

3 year cards are given to:

All WPT Tournament winners
All WSOP ME winners
Anyone who has made more than one WPT final table in the same season
Top 10 in the WPT POTY standings in season 2
Top 3 at the WPT 25K Championship
Top 3 at the 2003/2004 WSOP ME
Top 10 in Card Player's POTY standings in 2002/2003
Top 10 on Phil Hellmuth's COTY standings 2002/2003
Members of the Poker Hall of Fame
Members of the WPT Walk of Fame
Winning a PPT event
Make more than one PPT final table in a year

2 year cards go to:
4th-6th at the WPT 25k Championship
4th-6th at the WSOP ME in 2003/2004

1,2,3 year cards went to players selected by the PPT Advisory Committee, WPT announcers and the the 10 on Casino Europa's 2004 list or if you make a PPT final table or have a high ranking on the WPT season 3 money list for following PPT seasons (if any).

To maintain your PPT card, you have to play at least 2 of the 5 events as well as at least 50% of WPT events.

[Kevmath]

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Now is this different from the Professional Poker League or whatever it's called with teams that Barry Greenstein was talking about?

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That's completely different from the PPT.

By the way, how bad is it that celebrities are able to play for a $1m prize pool (for charity) in the next season of Celebrity Poker Showdown, but it's like pulling teeth for any pros to have money added to their prize pool?

[Kevmath]

Who can be blamed at the Bike for not getting Bart interviewed? Seems the man is keeping him down.

[Sykes]

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Now is this different from the Professional Poker League or whatever it's called with teams that Barry Greenstein was talking about?

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That's completely different from the PPT.

By the way, how bad is it that celebrities are able to play for a $1m prize pool (for charity) in the next season of Celebrity Poker Showdown, but it's like pulling teeth for any pros to have money added to their prize pool?

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Actually, it's not bad at all. CPS is playing for charity so that looks good for sponsers whereas giving money away to degenerate gamblers doesn't look good. Although I guess you could make the case that it's charity to some of the poker players.

[cwsiggy]

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degenerate gamblers

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Now what is so degenerate about playing 18 holes of golf for 800k per team? (Lederer and Huck Seed vs Doyle and Mike Sexton)

[Kevmath]

I can understand that, but Cingular bailed out after the second season because of the naughty words and drinking that was on the show.

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I can understand that, but Cingular bailed out after I believe the first season because of all those naughty words that were heard on the show.

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and was promptly replaced by an internet provider, where you can find all those naughty words, and much much more!!

[cwsiggy]

What a stupid thing to say, "I'd thought he'd never leave"
You want people like that in your game.

[cwsiggy]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b277/cwsiggy/gankowns.jpg

[Kevmath]

Is Big Mike confused about what game he's playing? 2000 for a 8/16 game, i hope he drops it all in the next 90 minutes.

[cwsiggy]

This is going to be great! He is raising and betting blind.
He is either really, really, really good (like the next Prahlad) or he is a complete moron. I'm leaning toward the latter.

change that to the next Joe Cassidy - this is limit.

[Kevmath]

Maybe Bart can get interviewed by ESPN.com for L@TB

Seems like Big Mike's gonna donk it up with his 2k.

I think Gank did that as some sort of bit with ESPN, as he got a "makeover".

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Maybe Bart can get interviewed by ESPN.com for L@TB

Seems like Big Mike's gonna donk it up with his 3k.

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someone might want to let him know that we're playing LIMIT poker. Having a gigantic stack doesn't mean anything except that you're an ass. That, or you're trying to compensate for shortcomings in other areas......

[TomHimself]

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Maybe Bart can get interviewed by ESPN.com for L@TB

Seems like Big Mike's gonna donk it up with his 3k.

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someone might want to let him know that we're playing LIMIT poker. Having a gigantic stack doesn't mean anything except that you're an ass. That, or you're trying to compensate for shortcomings in other areas......

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[IronDragon1]

This is like the new porn

[cwsiggy]

I've changed my mind. Big Mike bought into the game with fraternity money, and they are all watching him to see how fast he can lose it on purpose! It's a frat prank.

I love how every time seat 1 loses a pot when he holds a monster hand, he turns over his cards in disbelief, like he can't believe that he lost....yet, he fails to put money in the pot, or raise bets to drive out the draws.

perfect way to play limit poker. i need to remember to stock up on fish hooks and worms before my next trip to L.A.

[Kevmath]

There's suckout #1 for Big Mike

[sternroolz]

Just started watching.

I have played against several of these players before.

Imagine 10-20 total games this size($8-16 and $9-18) with this sort of player going at the same time at clubs all within 20 minute drive of each other. Every Friday and Saturday night in Los Angeles area

I don't usually post here but I just have to tonight. These people suck at poker!

So unbelievably bad that its actually making me a little mad. Bart also said that some of them were pissed about how Big Mike is in the game. Its obvious that these people don't like money.

I'll say it again...exceptionally bad tonight. Heinous really.

[cwsiggy]

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I'll say it again...exceptionally bad tonight. Heinous really.

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This is almost the norm for play though at the lower limits.

[Kevmath]

This is one of those moments where Jive would jump in and have them turn up the mic to hear Big Mike in action.

[Eurotrash]

harold is painfully bad.

[cwsiggy]

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harold is painfully bad.


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[sternroolz]

I love this. The lady in pink plays in the $9-18 at Commerce and often goes into "lock down" mode if she believes the dealer is bad luck for her. I didn't know she played this badly.

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harold is painfully bad.


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[IronDragon1]

Bart: Page 163 of Small Stakes Hold Em

Barts incredulity is too funny

[Kevmath]

That schedule can be found here (http://www.tvschedules.tv/scripts/digigate_listings_Poker.asp?sid=95) Shirley

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And that website is www.thepokerchannel.co.uk (http://www.thepokerchannel.co.uk) for Shirley.

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14 hours until The LA Poker Scene - episode 1. 6pm in the UK.

bart a little too stuck up shirley is better then u bro sorry

[Jay845]

Shirley if you showed your face and 2 other things, I think the ratings would go even higher /images/graemlins/wink.gif

[Eurotrash]

lol the fact that Shirley doesnt get why it's better that they call two cold on the turn kind of upsets me.

[IronDragon1]

Shirley: I'm watching this-I must have no life at all; why not spend some of that time reading poker books?

[sternroolz]

Sayeth Elix Powers: I can't believe he called with King(J) high!

Big Mike is some bored rich kid who is just showing off or seting up to create action before he starts playing good?

[deepdowntruth]

Shirlz: the point of keeping the pot small on the flop and making a double bet on the turn isn't necessarily to make them *fold*... it's to give them worse odds to call draws on the turn and thereby hopefully have them putting money in with improper pot odds.

[chucksim]

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And that website is www.thepokerchannel.co.uk (http://www.thepokerchannel.co.uk) for Shirley.

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They have to resort to "Poker Legend" John Patrick for programming????? Good God... "Seat 1 Harold on Hold Em" would be better....

[cwsiggy]

Even if the people don't fold, you are still mispricing them which makes you more money in the long run. yes, they will suck out on you, but when they don't hit, you are making more money. In other words, you are essentially on the other side of the equation of "calling without proper pot odds"

[Eurotrash]

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Shirlz: the point of keeping the pot small on the flop and making a double bet on the turn isn't necessarily to make them *fold*... it's to give them worse odds to call draws on the turn and thereby hopefully have them putting money in with improper pot odds.

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Shirley, what deepdowntruth said here (quoted above) is what i meant /images/graemlins/smile.gif


also -- I believe you understand it, I shouldn't have said anything. sorry /images/graemlins/crazy.gif

Big Mike must be playing the "Boomarang Effect". Throw his money into the pot, and hope it comes back. If it doesn't, buy in for more. Wash, Rinse, Repeat.

[cwsiggy]

I noticed Big Mike has an accent. Russian outfit guy???

[Kevmath]

You should check out what passes for programming on the other UK digital poker channel: www.pokerzone.tv (http://www.pokerzone.tv)

[7n7]

This game reminds me of every game I've ever sat in while out in CA (Commerce or Bike). I could never see a flop for less than 3 bets.

It would be great if I could play the games often, but when you're just in town on business, the variance can be a female dog.

[chucksim]

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You should check out what passes for programming on the other UK digital poker channel: www.pokerzone.tv (http://www.pokerzone.tv)

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Oh boy. I can't wait for the next episode of Mr. Lucky!!!

Must See TV (http://www.pokerzone.tv/Details.aspx?ProgrammeId=17)

[7n7]

We get it Shirley!!!!

We still love you!!!!

shirley dont take it personal the guy is looking for attention obviously, do not respond he wants to get you to talk about him because he gets no attention at home

[cwsiggy]

We not only heard it Shirley, we saw the finger! camera was on ya nice!!!!

[sternroolz]

I think I can hear the looney tunes theme song in the background.

[cwsiggy]

Oh baby! Jus you shuuuu yu mouse! This is funny. /images/graemlins/cool.gif

[sternroolz]

Old people talking about bladder control issues.

Gross!

[chucksim]

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I think I can hear the looney tunes theme song in the background.

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Now THIS is quality programming!!! /images/graemlins/laugh.gif

[cwsiggy]

They need to show low limit limit hold'em more often if they have these characters.

[7n7]

I wanna' party with Big Mike!!!

He likes to gambooool!!!

[jhodges]

Jin says shut your F*@$ing hole...
these are exactly like many 6-12 tables it is funny.

[7n7]

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They need to show low limit limit hold'em more often if they have these characters.

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I second that.

[sternroolz]

It kills me how the announcers are soooo surprised that a game plays like this.

Commerce has 7-8 $9-18 games every weekend that are exact clones of this game, with some tables taking 7-8 players every flop.

[cwsiggy]

So is Big Mike up or down by now. I can't tell with that stack he has. Looks to be down a bunch.

[7n7]

And it's not just limited to LA. I'm currently in San Jose on business and was at Bay 101 last night.

Every pot was 8-9 handed (I was the lone folder most times) and the pot was at least 2 or 3-bet. Add a little no flop EVER hitting my hand and I'll bet you can guess how my night went.

[IronDragon1]

Can't wait till they get to see this glamorous side of LA Poker in the UK.

[whalekock]

I bet mike plays beach vollyball.

[Kevmath]

Is there also someone who buys in for 10 racks at an 8/16 table?

I think the last time they did an 8/16 game was when Kenna showed up for the last hour and r00led the table.

[deepdowntruth]

"Rostam is going to bust a nut here?" That would make this episode complete. Quite a climax.

hey guys which episodes in archives was the one with shirley and kenna?

[Eurotrash]

this pregnancy discussion is priceless.


excellent episode tonight.

[Kevmath]

I think it's something in the "outside the box" category unless it got moved.

They should do this show for the UK, at least from the point where Mike buys in.

[cwsiggy]

Ok, I'm now convinced Mike totally knows how to play and is just kidding around.

[IronDragon1]

This episode is now up on the archives