Was this the right laydown?

[Play Tight]

I had only sat at the table for a couple of hands and had no idea how the play was going when I caught pockets 10's on the button.

7 to see the flop: 9h 6h 2s Checked to guy infront of me who bets and I raise trying to get heads up or atleast eliminate as many as possible. This is a Colorado $2-$5 game so not much of a chance of dropping all the draws but you have to try. Two cold call the $10 and the orig bettor calls.

4 to see the turn 7c (9h 6h 2s) So not only the flush draw but now a possible made straight. Checked to me, I bet all call.

4 to see the river 10h [7c (9h 6h 2s)] So the flush and straight are there against my trips. EP (I haven't played with him before but I quickly thought he was a rock before I ever saw a card at the table,) fires out so quick he practicly throws the chips clear accross the table. The next guy comes over the top. The guy before me mucks mumbling about over cards. I muck (and maybe alittle upset here I mucked face up trying to give some info to the others that I'm solid.) EP three bets and the other guy mucks saying he didn't think his straight was any good. EP flashed the Ah but not the other card and said "guess you all will never know if I had it or not.

After another hour of observing the EP I beleive he had it. This guy didn't bet his nut straight because the board was paired and he claimed to be afriad of the boat. I don't know what he bought in for but he walked with approx. $260 or so, pretty decent for only seeing him in approx. 1 out of every 10 to 12 hands.

Question? Would you have laid down trips to a probable straight or flush with a 2bb cold call and poss 3 or 4 bet comming? I'm pretty sure I already know the answer but I bumped into the dealer on my way to the restroom and he questioned my play which has now started getting to me wondering if I did the right thing.

[WiredPair]

I play in Colorado as well. I think I would have played it the same way as you did (with the possible exception of mucking face up!). Unfortunately, the 10 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif was one of the cards you didn't want to see. I see drawing hands all the time in the Colorado casinos that do not respect raises, but you have to bet your hands for value in my opinion.

I think when the heart hit, even though it gave you trips, with a bet and a raise, you did the correct thing in mucking. With how passive both players were on the turn, you've got to believe they are on draws. I suppose I could total up the pot and we could debate the odds you were getting and how often you think you would win here at showdown, but in my limited experience in Colorado casinos I think it is 99% or so that you are beat.

[ECondreras]

Not that I have a ton of experience, but I would have done the same thing you did. There was too good of a possibility that you were going to lose to either a straight or a flush, and it sounds like you were up against both. Folding trips is tough, but I'd say you did the right thing.

[WiredPair]

One more thing. From reading a lot of posts in this forum, I think there is some consensus that dealers aren't always good players. The point being, I wouldn't worry too much about what they thought of your play!

[Paul Talbot]

I think you made a good laydown. You were certainly beat in one of two places if the hand was legit. If anything I would be worried a bit that these two colluded, knowing that you couldn't have the nuts, but I think that's very unlikely.

I don't see how you guys can play 2-5 in Colorado. 10% rake, jackpot drop, standard tokes of $1 plus the crummy drive...

Regards,

Paul Talbot

[WiredPair]

I agree, but it has the only live casinos close to Denver. Frankly, the drive takes me about 35 minutes, so its not bad. I did have a question. If I recall, the rules at the Hyatt stated that the maximum was 5 raises. That sounds on the high side from what I've heard others post about here. Is that typical? Also, is it normally unlimited heads-up or does the the typical limit still apply unless it expressly statest unlimited heads-up raising?

I've been starting to play a little more online, but enjoy the live feel. I'm getting into a bad habit (I think?) of playing in single table limit tournaments at $5 or $10 just for the practice. It has been fun. Don't know if I'm doing very well or not, though. Been placing anywhere between 2nd to 5th.

Finally, I may be going up the hill tonight to play a little. We'll see.

[Play Tight]

Paul,

How can we play in this game? I have asked myself that very question many times.

Think about the following as a freind of mine quotes "Ever have bad sex?" ......well it might not be what you had hoped for but its still sex right?

Its the only game in town, so until we can change the laws we have to live with it.

[Play Tight]

I cannot speak for every casino up the hill, but I do know at the Hyatt the cap is five bets, no matter the size of the bets up to $5. I believe as long as its heads up going into any betting round it is unlimited bets at $5 a bet.

Beaware if you go to the Hyatt tonight that the poker room is no longer upstairs. It is downstairs behind the main cashier cage. And today or tomorrow the new managment goes into effect and the name changes. I don't know the new name but I know Hyatt is out. Windsor Woods might run it themselves for all I know, I cannot wait to see the changes if there good or bad.

[WiredPair]

Thanks for the reminder. I knew they were moving the poker room, but didn't realize they already had. I am also curious as to how the casino operates going forward.

[offTopic]

Good fold, IMO.

Also, I'm not a big fan of mucking face-up, especially when it's a pretty good hand. Why let them know you're solid? Let them pay to find out. In this case, I don't think letting them know that you'll willingly lay down a set (despite the scary board) is a good thing.

It's difficult enough to play when a scare card hits without having previously encouraged players to take shots at you.

[WiredPair]

I agree. I was about to make a very similar post! I would not want to give my opponents any information about me for free!

[Play Tight]

Your right, I like to think of myself as a pretty mild mannered poker player, but we all have our moments and this was one of mine. I was a little miffed that I made a good pot for someone and I knew it wasn't going to be mine. I have always thought that people who do what I did were kind of horsesa$$es.

The only thing I will say that actually worked to my advantage was that coupled with this face up muck and showing the absoulte nuts a few other times that there were some laydowns from people who commented that I always seem to have the nuts, so I promptly took advantage of a chance or two to bluff these two people for a couple of big pots.

[oddjob]

did the hyatt add any new tables? is it still non-smoking? can you still hear the crappy bands they have playing there?

i made the mistake of going to central station the night after they closed the room... doh!

[oddjob]

yah, it's rough. but what else we gonna do?

at least we don't get the entire rake taken before there's money in the pot.

that to me is the only saving grace.

[Louie Landale]

Folding face up was a disaster, unless they are already bluffing too much, your face-up-fold will encouage them to bluff even more, and you have every intention of playing in such a manner as to get to the show down snagging their bluffs. No, I'll bet they are just going to raise and successfully drive you out the rest of the night.

Looks like a reasonable fold to me, but maybe not in these aggressive CO games.

- Louie

But you have another problem. Compared to someone who bets for value more reasonably, players who do NOT bet or raise with the 2nd or 3rd nuts are generally MORE likely to be bluffing when they bet, unless such a player NEVER bluffs.

Lets say two players bluff only 1% of the time. #One only bets for value with the nuts which is 2% of the time, #2 bets more reasonably 19% of the time. When he bets, the 2nd player is bluffing only one time in 20 or 5%, wherease the first player is bluffing one time in 3 or a whopping 33% of the time! Rarely call the 2nd player, routinely call the 1st.

[Play Tight]

So far they have just moved the tables and poker podium. The TV's, free food, etc. have not moved yet. Its packed pretty tight with the orig 6 tables. They claim to be taking out a couple of more slot machine banks to expand the room and add a couple of more tables hopefully by next weekend. The room is still non-smoking but with the new set-up smokers can still light up at the slot machines which are right on top of the poker tables. As far as bands go I'm no accoustical expert but I'm hoping that being further away with all the machines in between will help.

[bernie]

i think its obvious that youre beat. though some will say to call every time.

i think youre laydown was good.

id only take the dealers words at face value. who knows how much he knows. though i wouldnt have folded face up. did you really want the ten to hit? much less the T that makes the flush...

think on the turn what card youd like to see. the Th is one id rather not see.

though if in doubt, call. but i think it's pretty clear youre beat. especially since the rock woke up and bet. what hand would he bet here that you could beat? hardly any.

b

[rharless]

Played last night...

-- still non smoking, though smokers wander in and out accidentally and don't get called on it all the time

-- They physically added two more tables but did not have the dealers yet to staff them. They said they would by this coming weekend.

-- new name is "Mountain High Casino" (with a baseball jersey uniform, it looks pretty unprofessional IMHO -- but comfortable for the dealers at least)

-- crappy bands are not nearly as loud in this room

-- apparently the tables were cramped before but they are now spread out nicely. You can scoot your chair back now, without warning the two people on each side of you and the three people behind you.

-- the poker room has been renamed to "Amarillo Slim's poker room" and he is making a live appearance sometime next weekend. if you get in ten hours of play then you qualify for a drawing. from that drawing they will pick ten names who will play a final-table tournament. the winner of that tournament gets to play Slim headsup, and if you win that headsup match you win $1000. If you lose it's $250. Regardless of win or lose, a donation will be made to Children's Hospital.

-- in addition to Amarillo Slim, Bob Eubanks will be there to celebrate the new room. hubba hubba.

(just kidding /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif)

RH