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helpmeout
09-26-2005, 02:46 AM
I have 99 in CO

Stack sizes are

me about 2k
Button has about 3k and is a bit of an agro
SB has 1k TAG
BB has 2k TAG

blinds are 75/150

What should be my standard play here?
What do I do if Button comes over the top?

thanks

mike28
09-26-2005, 02:52 AM
I had SNGPT messed up. This blows my mind. As long as the button isn't calling you with complete trash it's +ev.

I push this all day though.

09-26-2005, 02:58 AM
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I had SNGPT messed up. This blows my mind. A push here is actually -ev.

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The blinds are pretty small

mike28
09-26-2005, 03:01 AM
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I had SNGPT messed up. This blows my mind. A push here is actually -ev.

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The blinds are pretty small

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I'm running it at 1/200 since there is no 75/150 level. (Is there a way to add one?)

I don't like limping here and folding to a raise or playing an overcard flop. I don't like raising 1/5 my stack and folding to a push or playing an overcard flop.

ilya
09-26-2005, 03:01 AM
I would make a standard raise and fold to a push from Button or BB.

09-26-2005, 03:03 AM
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I had SNGPT messed up. This blows my mind. A push here is actually -ev.

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The blinds are pretty small

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I'm running it at 1/200 since there is no 75/150 level. (Is there a way to add one?)

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Maybe you don't have the newest version or something, I have 75/150 here

What I do in this spot btw is raise ~3xBB, fold to a push that puts me in

Scuba Chuck
09-26-2005, 03:03 AM
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Make a standard raise and fold to a push from Button or BB.

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This is how I play it.

Scuba Chuck
09-26-2005, 03:04 AM
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What I do in this spot btw is raise ~3xBB, fold to a push that puts me in

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This advice is flawed.

mike28
09-26-2005, 03:05 AM
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What I do in this spot btw is raise ~3xBB, fold to a push that puts me in

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Isn't that the same as folding to a push from the button or BB though?

Scuba Chuck
09-26-2005, 03:13 AM
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What I do in this spot btw is raise ~3xBB, fold to a push that puts me in

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Isn't that the same as folding to a push from the button or BB though?

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Edit: I apologize. Sneaky. I see your point now.

ilya
09-26-2005, 03:14 AM
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What I do in this spot btw is raise ~3xBB, fold to a push that puts me in

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Isn't that the same as folding to a push from the button or BB though?

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No. You have to call one of them.

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Hmm well then you misread my post. I call SB and fold to Button and BB. I don't think calling BB is correct.

09-26-2005, 03:14 AM
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What I do in this spot btw is raise ~3xBB, fold to a push that puts me in

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Isn't that the same as folding to a push from the button or BB though?

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No. You have to call one of them.

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Hmm, which one? EDIT: Not really sure which has the smaller pushing range given the read

schwza
09-26-2005, 11:10 AM
i push. i don't want to get played back at, and i think you have a lot more chance of folding out a KQ-type hand if you push. you only have 13x bb's. if you make it T400, button will know that he has a chance to move you off the hand unless you are very strong. if you push, BB will only call with a very strong hand with the short SB. i just hate giving button a chance to resteal. if you run into TT+ or get called by AJ+, try not to lose.

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I have 99 in CO

Stack sizes are

me about 2k
Button has about 3k and is a bit of an agro
SB has 1k TAG
BB has 2k TAG

blinds are 75/150

What should be my standard play here?
What do I do if Button comes over the top?

thanks

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schwza
09-26-2005, 11:11 AM
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What I do in this spot btw is raise ~3xBB, fold to a push that puts me in

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Isn't that the same as folding to a push from the button or BB though?

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No. You have to call one of them.

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Hmm, which one? EDIT: Not really sure which has the smaller pushing range given the read

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button will have a wider pushing range. if both players are any good, button will have a much wider range.

mosdef
09-26-2005, 12:23 PM
i agree that a push is +ev, however i am hesitant to begin the all-in fest this early (blinds only 75/150) since establishing a push-happy image now (when i am earning 225 for my push) may reduce my FE later, when the value of the FE equity is higher. this is non-scientific, it would be based on my "feel" for how wide the table will loosen their all-in calling ranges if they see me do it too often.

Degen
09-26-2005, 12:28 PM
easiest to just use converter and paste that code

i make it 375 and muck to a push from button-unless he'd been reraising me often and i decided to take a stand, but i'd likely fold

if somebody calls you cold and checks to you, c-bet most flops

09-26-2005, 12:34 PM
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i make it 375

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I would be tempted by this play if it didn't mean typing my raise into the text box

Degen
09-26-2005, 12:39 PM
lol now THAT is lazy

i do really hate the 75-150 level tho, really complicated betting patterns

i do 2.5 because its cheap and people aren't going to be able to tell whether i have aces, nines or crap...almost all of my raises are 2.5 bb's, unless i'm pushing...

Karak567
09-26-2005, 12:56 PM
I would raise and call a push, I can't see folding to a push being +EV here.

schwza
09-26-2005, 01:12 PM
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I would raise and call a push, I can't see folding to a push being +EV here.

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i think calling a BB push is nuts. calling the button might be right.

ilya
09-26-2005, 01:24 PM
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I would raise and call a push, I can't see folding to a push being +EV here.

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i think calling a BB push is nuts. calling the button might be right.

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i am pretty sure that calling the button would be a sizeable mistake. while BB's range is gonna be narrower, you have to have a much higher win% against the button to make calling him correct.

schwza
09-26-2005, 01:32 PM
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I would raise and call a push, I can't see folding to a push being +EV here.

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i think calling a BB push is nuts. calling the button might be right.

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i am pretty sure that calling the button would be a sizeable mistake. while BB's range is gonna be narrower, you have to have a much higher win% against the button to make calling him correct.

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if you were the button with 45s, you might decide to push. most buttons fold there, but sometimes that will get pushed. same for 22, 75o and a million junk hands - some chance that button will push given the stack sizes. on the flip side, BB will almost never push those hands.

and 99 does really well against the junk hands. so it's not like we're just adding in AJ and KQ when we compare button to BB, it's a bunch of hands that we really don't want to fold to.

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while BB's range is gonna be narrower, you have to have a much higher win% against the button to make calling him correct.

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currently stacks are 2k 3k 1k 2k. if you beat button, stacks are 4k 1k 1k 2k. if you beat BB, they are 4k 3k 1k.

at 75/150, i think i prefer the 4k 1k 1k 2k (beat button) scenario. you're going to steal a crap-ton of blinds and wind up in 1st a lot more often than in the other case, i think enough to offset the occasional 4th. i'm not sure though - would love to hear some more input on that part.

pineapple888
09-26-2005, 01:44 PM
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What should be my standard play here?


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Raise 450

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What do I do if Button comes over the top?

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Fold

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thanks

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You're welcome.