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bambi
09-26-2005, 01:17 AM
No stats on, villan however i havent seen him get out of line, he has only been on the table about 20 hands

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Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. CO posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, CO (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8.33 SB) Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG folds, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, CO folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

Turn: (7.16 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, UTG+1 calls.

River: (9.16 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 12.16 BB
sy_or_bust
09-26-2005, 01:22 AM
Nope. Good fold.
Redd
09-26-2005, 01:46 AM
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Nope. Good fold.

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After 20 hands with the villain? Could you elaborate why we're sure enough to fold here?
7n7
09-26-2005, 01:56 AM
IMHO, this is textbook AK. I'm not sure what else you could put him on.

When he raises the river, I don't see how your one-pair is any good.

I guess you could look him up once, but I think your fold was definitely justified.
sy_or_bust
09-26-2005, 02:05 AM
Because it's always AK or a weird set. The board is barren and Villain's play tells you he made a better hand.

The flop raise is an overcard/pair protection raise, and the subsequent slowdown is an underpair/AK. When the 3-straight falls and he raises it's over.
Nick C
09-26-2005, 03:50 AM
In all likelihood, you just got outdrawn by AK or even TT, but I probably would have paid off.

I think Villain will have AQ/KQ or even something worse, on occasion. Some players love to raise the river, and we have TPTK and only a sketchy read.
MyTurn2Raise
09-26-2005, 04:19 AM
I'd pay it off with no read...about 10% of the time, better is making a move. 10%-same AQ. 80%-you're beat.

I would've check/called that river. (I have trouble thinking of a pre-flop raising hand I can value bet against here.) But, I play too weak on the river.
09-26-2005, 05:07 AM
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I'd pay it off with no read...about 10% of the time, better is making a move. 10%-same AQ. 80%-you're beat.

I would've check/called that river. (I have trouble thinking of a pre-flop raising hand I can value bet against here.) But, I play too weak on the river.

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I agree, not much value in betting here, except for him having like KQ, and in that case we will probably induce a bet from him if we check anyway.

After betting, I would probably have a hard time calling, there's not many hands we beat; but with the big pot we don't have to be right that often for a call to be correct. Personally, I would probably fold it, but a call is probably correct, and if it's not it's probably marginal and at least you get to see his cards.

Did I mention I like the word 'probably'? Probably. /images/graemlins/smile.gif
ArturiusX
09-26-2005, 05:25 AM
Good fold, but calling isn't terrible either vs an unknown.
@bsolute_luck
09-26-2005, 06:25 AM
what about check/calling that river?
Chris Daddy Cool
09-26-2005, 06:31 AM
a general line to follow is on QJT boards given preflop/flop/turn is to check the river, though bet/folding is fine.
mtdoak
09-26-2005, 08:24 AM
You HAVE to call that river. You don't think he's bluffing here more than 1/12?? You know how many donks i've seen do that with KQ.