$22 - KQs

150/300 Tourney Texas Hold'em
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 1: TODDZILA8055 (885)
Seat 2: X (1285)
Seat 5: XX (1485)
Seat 6: XXX (845)
Seat 7: XXXX (1505)
Seat 9: HERO (1265)
Seat 10: XXXXX (730)
cdu0105 posts small blind (75)
HERO posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HERO [ Qs, Ks ]
folds.
TODDZILA8055 calls (150)
folds.
folds.
folds.
folds.
HERO checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ Th, Js, 2h ]
HERO bets (1115)
HERO is all-In.

Sorry, no reads what so ever.

[pergesu]

Why not try to check-raise all in?

Because I was very discouraged from letting this pot go. In 2 different sng's within 2 hours before this one I folded to a push after I open check with the intension of check-raising.

#1. BB with 45 hearts. Flop is 6h7h 2s. I have 1300 blinds are 50/100. I check, Button pushes, I fold.

#2. I raise to 325 from CO with AJ hearts. SB calls. Flop is Q 9 3. I check with 1100. He pushes for 700. blinds ae 50.100

Do you have any thoughts on these hands?

[ilya]

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Why not try to check-raise all in?

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the stacks are not deep enough. there is 425 in the pot and the limper only has 675 behind.

you do have a strong draw but

1, it's fairly likely that he has a big pair as he has limped in with 6xbbs. hard to know just how likely without a read...with some $22 players, a limp like that is almost always AA...with others, it's just as likely to be QTo as anything else.
2, if he's not trapping but has just limped in with a mediocre hand, it's extremely likely that this flop has hit him. and, because of the size of the pot relative to his stack, he isn't folding if he has has hit.
3, he's also almost certainly gonna call with overs.

in short, i think you're getting called very often. but i think he'll have limped in with hands like A4s and K8s often enough to make pushing profitable, given all the dead money in the pot.

the most unpleasant thing about this situation IMO is how often you're gonna have 450 chips after this hand. If you had say 1700 instead of 1100, I would be much happier about pushing.

Thanks for the very good post.

There is no need to discuss anyfurther because Ilya answered all the questions.


Goat

PS: Close...it was K10o

[ilya]

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Because I was very discouraged from letting this pot go. In 2 different sng's within 2 hours before this one I folded to a push after I open check with the intension of check-raising.

#1. BB with 45 hearts. Flop is 6h7h 2s. I have 1300 blinds are 50/100. I check, Button pushes, I fold.

#2. I raise to 325 from CO with AJ hearts. SB calls. Flop is Q 9 3. I check with 1100. He pushes for 700. blinds ae 50.100

Do you have any thoughts on these hands?

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Yes, don't go for a (semi-)bluff check-raise when the stacks aren't deep enough to make your opponent fold to a check-raise and/or when he's likely to just push. As strassa has written, the check-raise is a great tool for maximizing value against bluffs. But there's no sense in trying to induce *pot-committing* bluffs when your own hand doesn't have much showdown value.

anyway as far as the hands go:

#1: well hard to say for sure without knowing the situation (i.e. button's stack size, how many people left, etc) but seeing as your hand is a favorite over almost anything he could have, I think you should have called.

#2, this hand makes no sense as given. how could you have checked when SB acts before you? also, did you have a (backdoor) flush draw on the flop?

I'll post the exact 2 hands later, I need sleep. ty.

[Big Limpin']

There is t400 in there? I think i'd like to see what he does. Check seems less disaster prone than 3x pot open-push.

You might get to see the turn for free. Thats a good thing. Its cool if he checks, I'll bet the pot on the turn, it is not a heart. And if he bets here on the flop, i can decide if the pot lays a good price. If im facing a big bet, i can chuck my hand real easy. only in from the BB.

Pushing will make some underpairs,10's, and ace-highs fold though...thats a good thing, so your line has merit too.

BL'