Two big hands against two maniacs

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LAG1 and LAG2 have VPIP > 90% and AF > 2. LAG1 PFR is 50% and LAG2 PFR is 12%.

1st Hand
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UTG+1 ($39.15)
UTG+2 ($3.85)
MP1 ($16.85)
MP2 = LAG2 ($29.18)
MP3 ($15.77)
CO ($17.40)
Button ($24.40)
SB = LAG1 ($64.37)
Hero ($25)
UTG ($34.73)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls $0.25, UTG+1 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, LAG2 calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, LAG1 completes, Hero checks.

Flop: ($1.75) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(7 players)</font>
LAG1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $1.7</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, LAG2 calls $1.70, CO folds, Button folds, LAG1 calls $1.70.

Turn: ($6.85) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
LAG1 checks, Hero checks, LAG2 checks.

River: ($6.85) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">LAG1 bets $4</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $8</font>, LAG2 calls $8, <font color="#CC3333">LAG1 raises to $30</font>, Hero calls $15.05 (All-In), LAG2 folds.

Final Pot: $67.90

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2nd hand, sometime in the next round
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MP2 ($45.18)
CO ($15.40)
Button = LAG2 ($51.01)
SB ($0.48)
BB ($24.15)
UTG = LAG1 ($92.45)
Hero ($25)
MP1 ($32.88)

Preflop: Hero is UTG+1 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, T/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">LAG1 raises to $0.85</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.9</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">LAG2 raises to $4.95</font>, SB calls $0.38 (All-In), <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, LAG1 calls $4.10, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $20.53</font>, <font color="#CC3333">LAG2 raises to $51.01 (All-In)</font>, LAG1 calls $46.06, Hero calls $4.47 (All-In).


Final Pot: $127.75

is there any better way i can play these two hands?

[darkcore]

hand 1:
when they call your bet on the flop, it doesn't mean that much imho. $1.7 is not a reason to fold for a maniac. so why not pot the turn as a kind of semibluff. you could very well still be ahead, and even in case someone hit the straight you still have outs...
after the river card there is no way you can fold here. if he holds JJxx, pay him off.

hand 2:
there is nothing wrong with getting all the money in the middle preflop when you hold AAxx. the only hand thats could make your hand look bad is AA(better)xx.
to be honest, i don't like it when i shove all the chips in preflop, because omaha is not like holdem. but when i have the chance, i push. the more ppl come along for the ride, the better for me and the higher the variance. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

just my two cents.

[Spellmen]

Hand 2 I would not reraise preflop. That is a pretty ugly AAxx and I would prefer to take a flop

[Lafortezza]

Hand one is fine, if he has 55xx or JJxx then so be it. I'd guess A4xx or 54xx.

Hand two: Seems ok, at that level people push with alot less than AAxx so even if you're up against a nicely coordinated KKxx you're ahead.
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>pokenum -mc 500000 -o ac 2h as th - kc kd qc jd
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac Th 2h 300900 60.18 199067 39.81 33 0.01 0.602
Kc Qc Kd Jd 199067 39.81 300900 60.18 33 0.01 0.398</pre><hr />
Against a low hand, you're still marginally ahead.
<font class="small">Code:</font><hr /><pre>pokenum -mc 500000 -o ac 2h as th - 6c 7d 8c 9d
Omaha Hi: 500000 sampled boards
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
As Ac Th 2h 259325 51.87 240675 48.13 0 0.00 0.519
8c 6c 9d 7d 240675 48.13 259325 51.87 0 0.00 0.481</pre><hr />
The only thing you're hoping you won't see is a better coordinated AAxx which wouldn't be hard, since Villain is LAG this is less likely.

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Hand 2 I would not reraise preflop. That is a pretty ugly AAxx and I would prefer to take a flop

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usually i wouldn't reraise with bad aces, but against these opponents and what happened a few hands ago i figured they thought i was tilting and they would call with a lot of hands.

[autobet]

Hand 1 - I would bet the turn.

Hand 2 - okay if you want to gamble with a marginal hand.

[joewatch]

I think u played both hands fine.

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Hand 1 - I would bet the turn.

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Yep, agree 100%. You have a vulnerable hand that may be best here and want to try and take the pot down here. If you get a call and don't fill up on the river, you probably should check/fold or call a small bet as a bluff catcher.

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Hand 2 - okay if you want to gamble with a marginal hand.

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Exactly. As long as you wanted to take a coin flip for your stack, this was fine.

[Tilt]

In hand 1 I would just call that river, that hand is good but not good enough to invite an uncomfortable situation like this. Even maniacs rarely reraise you all-in on the river on a board like this without a boat, and your boat here is middle of the pack among the combos he does that with.

Sure, it seems improbable that he has 55 or JJ, but when he checks the turn that smells funny. Maniacs check the turn with strong hands. I think he has 553X.