Husband & Wife Duo

[KyleOlson]

I was playing 4/8 HE at a local indian casino on Sunday evening. Seated 2 & 3 seats to my right were a husband & wife. I found this a little disturbing. If they were heads up against each other they wouldn't bet and at least once they passed some money to each other.

I almost got up from the table but I didn't. The table was mostly passive but the wife was loose agressive. She was in 66% to 75% of the time so by waiting for the right cards to hit she made me a lot of money. The rest of the table was losing to her, though she went though several big wins and losses. The husband was losing a little.

I felt it was wrong for the two to be at the same table. Am I wrong?

[Anadrol 50]

Read the book Poker nation and you will find a great story of a husband and wife playing poker together.....

[Herb N.]

You could have spoken to a floor person and told him,her that you felt uncomfortable with them sitting next to each other.Whenever my buddie and I are in the same game we try to sit apart,we both like the end seats so were normaly sitting across from each other.This stiffels any rumors about us.The married couple should also do this for thier own good.HFPWC! /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

[Softrock]

I know several husband/wife combinations playing at midlimits and higher and they avoid playing at the same table if at all possible to avoid even the image that something funny might be going on.

However, if these two clearly are playing badly why do something that might run them out of the game?

[KyleOlson]

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However, if these two clearly are playing badly why do something that might run them out of the game?

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I was happy with the fact that I could exploit the situation, yet I felt others at the table that were weaker were being taken in. Often she would bet and he would immediately raise. Then, after all the other players folded they wouldn't fight each other.

[scalf]

/forums/images/icons/tongue.gif i know what you're saying, but virtually every time i play at a table with couples or good buddies; they end up both losing big...unless someone points it out..lol..gl /forums/images/icons/cool.gif /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif

[gilly]

If this is an high limit game maybe it would bother me, but my experience is that when you get a couple playing together they are there for fun and going to lose. This in no way makes me uncomfortable. If they are just looking for some fun it should not bother people. Most of the time they are just out for the night and want to sit down and try this because they were losing at Blackjack so now they will give poker a try.

I make it a point not to play against friends and family in a casino if at all possible. But once in a while I will sit at a low limit table with a friend or my wife just so they can see what poker is like. When I do this I guarantee we both lose unles we get hit in the face with the deck.

[FA_man]

One hell of a coincidence, but could this have been at Casino Arizona? I use to play there, and there was this annoying hus/wife duo going that would play in 3/6 to 4/8. I would never take a seat at the table they were at.


-FA

[SunTzu68]

The exact same situation came up at Mohegan Sun where a wife took a seat change to sit right next to her husband. One of the players complained, a floor person was called over and the ruling was unless they were suspected of cheating there is nothing wrong with it. They played the rest of the night that way.

As a rule my wife and I don't like playing at the same table. However, once in a blue moon we are forced to play at the same table and we have never had any complaints from anyone at the table.

[Big Al]

One time I was in a game and I noticed this man and woman seemed to raise each other if they and someone else were in the hand but would stop betting if they were heads up. I was a bit suspicious when this hand happened.15-30 game. I am in early position with K-Q suited. I call, woman raises, man re-raises, everyone drops, she re-raises, he caps I call all the way. Flop is K-7-3 rainbow. I bet, she raises, you guess it, they cap it and I call all the way. Turn is a 2, again its raised and capped and I call all the way because I smell a rat. River is a 6. Capped/I call all the way. She turns over 7-6 for 2 pair and I say I want to see man's hand. He tries to muck but dealer gets it and turns over pocket Queens. I basically say this is BS, get the floorman. Make a long story short, floorman says he doesnt think anything was wrong but moves the man, who turns out to be the womans husband. The man goes ballistic when told to move and I say they were colluding, woman sits stone faced silent and never says a word. Floorman again says he doesnt think, with the way the hand went, anything was fishy but will move the man for appearances sake. Floorman and I get into it, I basically telling him he's nuts if he doesnt think there was some BS happening. What do you think? Given the flop, betting, turn and river, do you think they were colluding? Was the floorman right in how he handled it? Was I off base in making an accusation of collusion? Any comments appreciated.--Big Al--

[Girchuck]

They had 6 outs between them to beat you, and they invested twice as much as you did. They are incompetent cheaters and the play was -EV. Either you get their chips, or they are exposed, thats dumb.

[HDPM]

Yeah, they were dumb, but that doesn't mean they weren't trying to collude. Here's like the only time in history where the IWTSTH rule worked. Obviously good colluders do it differently. But it's like when criminals ask, "If I were trying to steal, would I be dumb enough to [insert totally idiotic thing they did in doing the crime]...." The answer to that question is often yes.

[DanS]

I agree, most attempts at collusion I've seen (I play 15/30 and below) are really poorly executed, and only serve to raise your variance. If the husband had AKo, you're clearly taking the worst of it, getting 2-1 on every bet when you're a big dog. With the QQ he actually had, you're getting 2-1 on a money favorite! If the couple was trying to collude, they really gotta get the gist of hold 'em down first. It takes a competent player to be a competent colluder.

Dan

P.S. Nonetheless, I can see why this frustrated you, Al.

[bernie]

if youre talking about muckleshoot, i probably have played with them. there arent any 'teams' in there that ive seen.

what exactly did they look like?

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[KyleOlson]

Yes, it was at Muckleshoot. They were an Asian couple, probably age 30-40. The dealers recognized them.

I don't think what they did was collusion. It wasn't as though every time one of them had a hand the other was raising. It just seemed as though sometime the husband had the convience of raising the wife's bet knowing that if she did have a better hand he wouldn't be hurt, causing other players to fold their hands when they should call or raise.