Recent Home Game Arguement

<font color="black"> </font> This is my first post, I hope I didn't screw anything up too badly. I was recently at a home game. It was a very small game, five of us, each putting in $5 for a winner-take-all mini-tournament. It was down to me and one other player near the end of the match. I had about $10 in chips and he had about $15. The blinds were very high ($2/$4) as we had been playing one-on-one for quite some time. I took a cripling blow to my chipstack after a big hand, and I was down to my last $3. The next hand, I was BB for $4. The guy I was playing against told me that I could not play the next hand as I could not pay my blinds. I thought this to be incorrect, as I should be able to put my last $3 out there as my blind. 2 of the 3 bystnaders sided with me, so I got to play my hand. Eventually I ended up with all of the chips, winning the match and making the opposing player very angry, as he thought I should have lost when I couldn't pay my blinds.

Who's right here?

[wdeadwyler]

YOU. Its NL holdem. If you cant pay the blinds you go all in. Your opponent is an idiot, congrats on taking him down.

[dachord]

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Its NL holdem. If you cant pay the blinds you go all in.

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Ditto. Where was the host when this issue came up? For future reference, the host should always have a good working knowledge of tournament rules and should point out any house rules to the guests before play starts. For beginners I suggest downloading/printing a set of rules and keeping them handy. It makes for a funner, friendlier game and also helps you develop into a better player.

[Richard Tanner]

I'm usually very calm at the table, honestly I've never even raised my voice (I save that for talking to my poker buddy after the game), but I really hope you pissed on your opponent after this one.
"Well you're poor so no blinds for you, game over"
AHHHHH.

Cody

I suppose I was the host, considering the game was at my house. I was sure that everyone knew that if this case came up, it would go the way it went without arguement. I'm actually going to show him this post(s), so please don't quit with the replys.

And I did, in fact, urinate on him after the game.
Heh.

[smoore]

Hahaha... what a marooon. Of course you're correct. Please urinate on him again for me.

[Richard Tanner]

Honestly, I would wake this dumbass up with a golden shower everyday until he gave you a written apology.
It's at this point I feel I should qualify my anger. It isn't that he made a mistake, we all make mistakes, but it's that (from your story) he sounds so adament in his belief of his mistake, and I HATE it when people actually try to rationalize mistakes as there is no where (credible) they could've gotten that info.

Cody

[six_4off]

You could make cases for defication here. nothing says i told you so like a cleaveland steamer!

[grandgnu]

You should've said that the game couldn't continue and you'd have to split the prize pool evenly, w00t!

But, I'm glad you came back to win it, you were correct. He just has to post whatever you have left for that hand (i.e. not the full $4)

[Lottery Larry]

He's an idiot.

If you can't pay the short blind, what happens to your cards? Do you get to keep your chips until next tourney?

Silly- it's not a gambling debt that has to be paid in full.

[Colquhoun]

This is funny. According to his rules, if you can't pay the blind and have a few players still in, you can sit back and see hand after hand after hand for free...just wait till you pick up a nice pair and go all-in. Quite silly.

[ChrisAJ]

You're all-in for the blind. You can play.

[JonPKibble]

Keep a printed copy of Robert's Rules of Poker near your table at all times ... I do, and every now and then it's quite useful.

[4_2_it]

Glad you beat that angleshooter. He probably also thinks that if he goes all in after a flop and an opponent does not have enough chips to call his bet then he immediately takes down the pot. I love it when these guys show up a game!

[Bulldog]

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He just has to post whatever you have left for that hand (i.e. not the full $4)

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Not quite right, but I know what you mean. For clarity's sake:

Blinds $2/$4. BB has $3 left. He posts all his chips as the BB. SB still posts $2. SB can then fold or call the additional $1. The SB doesn't have to "post whatever" the BB has left, but that is how much he'd half to call if he is going to play his hand, and of course should do so with any two cards.

[Richard Tanner]

Not nearly as much as I enjoy pissing on them.

Cody

You are correct.

However those blinds are absolutely huge compared to the stacks. I play the same buyin and the highest the blinds have ever got for a $25pot are .25/.50.

$25 in play with 2/4 blinds, yikes!

On the WPT last weekend they had the episode from the Borgato. It came down to Daniel Negraneau and David Williams. Williams had just lost a big pot and didn't have enough chips to post the blind for the next hand, so the match was declared over. So the guy has a point, I think it would be an acceptable rule variant to do it this way, as long as it's announced beforehand.

[Richard Tanner]

I shudder to think that this may be a serious post.

Cody

[4_2_it]

Maybe the Borgato/images/graemlins/grin.gif has some strange house rules; guess it's why I usually play at the Trop.

The only thing I can think of is what if Williams didn't have enough to post the full ante, which would have left him nothing for the blinds. I haven't come across that situation yet.

[JonPKibble]

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On the WPT last weekend they had the episode from the Borgato. It came down to Daniel Negraneau and David Williams. Williams had just lost a big pot and didn't have enough chips to post the blind for the next hand, so the match was declared over. So the guy has a point, I think it would be an acceptable rule variant to do it this way, as long as it's announced beforehand.

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This is a joke, right?

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On the WPT last weekend they had the episode from the Borgato. It came down to Daniel Negraneau and David Williams. Williams had just lost a big pot and didn't have enough chips to post the blind for the next hand, so the match was declared over. So the guy has a point, I think it would be an acceptable rule variant to do it this way, as long as it's announced beforehand.

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That is emphatically NOT what happened on that episode. What happened was that both Daniel and David went all-in after the flop. They were close in chips (after blinds and antes and pre-flop betting), so no one knew who had who covered.

Daniel won the hand and they both had to count the chips to see how much they had. Daniel had more chips so he had David covered. David had no more chips left, so he was out and Daniel wins.

The reason this seemed odd was that, in most TV tourneys I've seen, one player obviously has the other one covered. So if the low stack loses the all-in, everyone knows and the winner can be declared. Here, no one knew who was the low stack until the hand was over.

Thanks, I thought it was wrong as well

[Richie Rich]

You'z is in the right, dawg. Ask him if he's ever heard of the expression, "A chip and a chair". Next time tell him to shizzle yo nizzle.

[Miles Ahead]

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<font color="black"> </font> I was down to my last $3. The next hand, I was BB for $4. The guy I was playing against told me that I could not play the next hand as I could not pay my blinds.

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That is honestly the dumbest thing I have ever heard, and having played in home games for a long time I thought I had heard it all. OF COURSE you were right. The next time he tries to tell you the sky is red, and not blue, don't bother posting here for input. Just shoot him and move on with your life.

Congrats on the win, by the way.

[Lottery Larry]

Same thing happened to me in a home tourney recently. 3 of us, I'm in BB, UTG pushes and I called. When I won, we found out that I'd actually had him covered by a chip, not the other way around as we'd all assumed.

The guy's an idiot. You play the hand through with whatever you have left.