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TheSalche
09-23-2005, 10:23 PM
Just got to table, so no reads on villain
Party Poker Pot-Limit Omaha High, $0.25 BB (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($78.15)
SB ($9.75)
BB ($47.25)
UTG ($28.65)
UTG+1 ($26.05)
Hero ($24.15)
MP2 ($12.60)
MP3 ($27.47)
CO ($32.68)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 8/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls $0.25, Hero calls $0.25, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $0.25, Button calls $0.25, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($1.50) T/images/graemlins/heart.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets $1.45</font>, SB folds, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $2.9</font>, CO folds, Button calls $1.45.

Turn: ($7.30) J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $4</font>, Button calls $4.

River: ($15.30) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets $10</font>, Button calls $10.

Final Pot: $35.30

wickss
09-24-2005, 02:11 AM
Your post flop play was good. It would have been hard to get much more out of the hand. I would have rasied PF. That would have allowed you to extract more on such a favorable flop.

dibbs
09-24-2005, 03:31 AM
I think I'd just hope he'd continue to fire at me and hope he caught a real hand. Most of the time they probably slow down though unless he catches something. I can't see anything but TT calling you after a raise on the flop.

That being said, you did a pretty damn good job getting some money out of him, so what do I know.

What'd he have, TT?

TheRempel
09-24-2005, 03:42 AM
I don't like the flop raise. The fact that he pays you off at all means he's probably a complete donk or has TT and has decided he wants to see a showdown. Unless you minraise a lot of weak hands OOP on the flop, I think a smoothcall is better, then bet out on the turn and hope he raises.

Cooker
09-24-2005, 12:15 PM
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I don't like the flop raise. The fact that he pays you off at all means he's probably a complete donk or has TT and has decided he wants to see a showdown. Unless you minraise a lot of weak hands OOP on the flop, I think a smoothcall is better, then bet out on the turn and hope he raises.

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I agree with you. The min raise totally gives away the strength of OP's hand, because the opponent must call it unless he was on a stone bluff. The opponent probably has TT and calls down hoping you have just trip queens. Still, OP extracted a fair amount, but I think this is a good place for a slowplay until the turn or river.

beset7
09-24-2005, 05:27 PM
I'm with others. Smooth call the flop jam the turn. It does suck though when you smooth call the flop w/ quads and then it gets checked to you so I understanding wanting to put in a raise. But, he MUST have a nice piece of this if he bets into it unless he constantly tries to steal pots on scary boards. If he bets full pot on the turn I might smoothcall again and push the river.

TheRempel
09-24-2005, 08:21 PM
The only time I ever raise here on the flop is against an uber aggro donk that is likely to pay me off for his whole stack with just a straight draw and I only do this if I think no one else has hit in anyway. I still don't think it's the best move though.

TheSalche
09-27-2005, 02:41 AM
he did have TT ... the only reasonable hand calling here

so the general consensus is flat call flop and pot turn? then maybe 1/2 - 3/4 pot river as a value bet?

how much do you think i can pump out of the usual 25 donk?

TheRempel
09-27-2005, 04:22 PM
I pot the turn because I pot the turn a lot. A 1/2, 2/3, or 3/4 pot bet might better fit your style.