QQ 5th hand. Push it? 20+2

likeable '12930584 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Amalie25 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Frnchy Fuqua (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: rossv123 (1600 in chips)
Seat 4: teuqnoj (1040 in chips)
Seat 5: <font color="red"> Hero </font> (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: ONELUUV (1460 in chips)
Seat 7: kidrays3 (2210 in chips)
Seat 8: kranegutt (1240 in chips)
Seat 9: hondafury (1500 in chips)
ONELUUV: posts small blind 10
kidrays3: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to <font color="red"> Hero </font> [Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif]
kranegutt: folds
hondafury: raises 180 to 200
Amalie25: calls 200
Frnchy Fuqua: folds
rossv123: folds
teuqnoj: folds
<font color="red"> Hero </font>

[bawcerelli]

see a flop?

The way I see it if he has aces or kings the money will go in on a low flop anyway. The only other hand that im not a big favorite over is AK but its even money. If hes raising to two hundred its very unlikely he has AA/KK ???. It looks like a 88-jj raise to me (any comments on that point?)

Whats my best line here. The problem I see here with flat calling is if an ace of king hits the board things get very tricky not only because he may have ace rag but I may get bluffed off the best hand by this opponent who seems loose(the 10xBB raise). If I reraise half of my stack is in the pot already and that really skrews me up if an ace hits the or king hits the flop.

[bawcerelli]

well if you see a flop and an A or K hits, let it go. if an A or K doesn't hit, let him try to bet into you with his AK or smaller PP. this way you're minimizing risk, maximizing reward.

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minimizing risk, maximizing reward

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I agree that Im more likely to get paid off by a lower pocket pair if the flop comes low therefor maybe calling might bring a bigger reward but surly its safer to push here? Opponent two looks to have either AK AQ or a pocket pair there for I could be dodging Any ace any king any cards which trip my opponets up (and any other opponent who may call) and possibly suits if my opponents held ak suited for example.

[Roland32]

This is an Obvious push preflop. If he has AA or KK good for him.

I think you might be screwing yourself out of too many pots if you check / fold or otherwise play timidly when an A or a K falls. I'm pushing over the top preflop in an SNG every time unless I have a great read. If this were multi-table or cash game, your options might be greatly expanded.

EDIT: In relation to the blind size, the huge pre-flop raise doesn't seem to indicate AA / KK and the call (as opposed to a reraise) points at something other than a big pair here.

[mosdef]

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well if you see a flop and an A or K hits, let it go. if an A or K doesn't hit, let him try to bet into you with his AK or smaller PP. this way you're minimizing risk, maximizing reward.

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you're only telling half the story. a fish with a smaller pocket pair or a wider range of aces may call you allin preflop, so you're not "maximizing reward" in those cases by going to a flop.

[J-Lo]

i've played over 2,000 $22's, (needed to rebuild bankroll) w/ a 20% ROI (including rakeback) 8 tablin', i push this all day.

[lastchance]

All-in!!!

[bawcerelli]

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well if you see a flop and an A or K hits, let it go. if an A or K doesn't hit, let him try to bet into you with his AK or smaller PP. this way you're minimizing risk, maximizing reward.

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you're only telling half the story. a fish with a smaller pocket pair or a wider range of aces may call you allin preflop, so you're not "maximizing reward" in those cases by going to a flop.

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yeah i guess i shouldn't worry about a pf fold from villain.

[valenzuela]

QQ UTG 1st hand.
I raise to 90 get 3 callers, the button pushes I call he has KTs I double up.
Yes it was a 22.
In case ure still wondering its a call, im not sure but I wouldmnt fold QQ preflop unless I see some extraordinary action.
Here is my guideline:
3 all-ins before me: fold QQ
4 all-ins before me: fold KK
8 all-ins before me : fold AA

[xJMPx]

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In case ure still wondering its a call, im not sure but I wouldmnt fold QQ preflop unless I see some extraordinary action.

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This makes me ask, how do you play this QQ?

PartyPoker $30+3
Seat 6 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: GTParrish (800)
Seat 2: SaVrOsUrA69 (745)
Seat 3: joe_roth (880)
Seat 4: djets22 (800)
Seat 5: BOO4734 (800)
Seat 6: DevinLake (790)
Seat 7: forkpants13 (785)
Seat 8: Woody16 (800)
Seat 9: fredbond007 (800)
Seat 10: Treats21 (800)
forkpants13 posts small blind (10)
Woody16 posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to DevinLake [ Qs, Qc ]
fredbond007 folds.
Treats21 folds.
GTParrish raises (50) to 50
SaVrOsUrA69 folds.
joe_roth folds.
djets22 folds.
BOO4734 calls (50)
DevinLake raises (200) to 200
forkpants13 folds.
Woody16 folds.
GTParrish raises (750) to 800
GTParrish is all-In.
BOO4734 folds.
DevinLake ????

[valenzuela]

easy call

[Nicholasp27]

i don't think folding aa with 8 pushes before you is as +ev as calling the pushes

[valenzuela]

Do you win a buy-in by calling with AA?

I call and get my chips in the middle if no K or A flops.

[mosdef]

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well if you see a flop and an A or K hits, let it go. if an A or K doesn't hit, let him try to bet into you with his AK or smaller PP. this way you're minimizing risk, maximizing reward.

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you're only telling half the story. a fish with a smaller pocket pair or a wider range of aces may call you allin preflop, so you're not "maximizing reward" in those cases by going to a flop.

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yeah i guess i shouldn't worry about a pf fold from villain.

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SOMETIMES you shouldn't. it' s opponent dependent, like most everything before level 5.

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likeable '12930584 1' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Amalie25 (1500 in chips)
Seat 2: Frnchy Fuqua (1480 in chips)
Seat 3: rossv123 (1600 in chips)
Seat 4: teuqnoj (1040 in chips)
Seat 5: <font color="red"> Hero </font> (1470 in chips)
Seat 6: ONELUUV (1460 in chips)
Seat 7: kidrays3 (2210 in chips)
Seat 8: kranegutt (1240 in chips)
Seat 9: hondafury (1500 in chips)
ONELUUV: posts small blind 10
kidrays3: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to <font color="red"> Hero </font> [Q /images/graemlins/spade.gif Q /images/graemlins/heart.gif]
kranegutt: folds
hondafury: raises 180 to 200
Amalie25: calls 200
Frnchy Fuqua: folds
rossv123: folds
teuqnoj: folds
<font color="red"> Hero </font>

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This is an easy call, IMO. It's only the 5th hand of the trny, way too early to be racing your chips off. Call and push a safe flop, or fold to a scary flop.

I play SnGs for a living,and my ROI is close to 40%,in the $20 to $100 range. Not bragging, just giving you an idea where I'm coming from.

If this hand played out later in the SnG, where the blinds were higher, I'd say push them in. But with 2 people already in for 200 this early, chances are slim you'll push them both off their hands. If the buy in were higher, you may be able to take it down without seeing a flop, but at the $20 level you're getting called if you push all in, most likely.

The key to winning SnGs is to stay out of trouble early, pick up what pots you can until the 200/100 level, then get aggressive preflop with your playable hands. Avoid racing your chips off too early. An early large stack isn't as important as surviving late.