mojolang
05-10-2003, 04:48 PM
I'll use this hand that recently came up as an example.
.50-1$ spread limit game, max bet 6$.
7 players at the table, folded to LP player, rather unpredictable, loose and sometimes aggressive. I look down and see
Q /forums/images/icons/spade.gif 10 /forums/images/icons/club.gif
I limp. Button calls. SB folds BB checks.
Flop
2 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 3 /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 10 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif
BB checks, LP bets 1.50, I think about it. He could have JT, 9T, 8T, maybe even 7T. On the flip side, he could have AT, though I think he may have raised pre-flop as it had been folded to him, or KT. I think a raise may knock out the blind and button if they just have overcards or a gutshot. Plus, if my hand isn't good I may be able to take a free card if I have doubts about my hand or bet the turn and show down my hand for free at the River.
I raise another 1.50. The button cold calls the 3, BB folds. LP calls.
So much for that plan. I still felt there was a very good chance that I had the best hand.
Turn: A /forums/images/icons/spade.gif
LP checks, I think about it and check. Looking back I think this was a definate mistake for a number of reasons. If I would have bet and the button had an ace, and I bet, I think there is a good chance he would have raised me and I could have gotten away from the hand. By checking, as I did I put myself into a guessing mode which is really a weak play.
Button bets 2$. LP folds. I call thinking I still may have the best hand (yeah right).
River: 8 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif
I check, button bets 2, I call.
Button shows down A /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 3 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif for 2 pair and I muck. Now comes the strange part, afterwards I asked what LP had. Now I'm not an advocate of believing cards one doesn't see but when I asked him he told me he had KT. Apparently I had the worst hand the whole way. So I guess I would like to hear input about how to handle situations in which your kicker pairs but you don't have the best one (IE JT, QJ, KJ, QT, KT). I'm trying to balance aggressive value betting with knowing when its over and getting out. Also, what to do when an evercard comes. Necessary to balance between not giving a free card and not hanging yourself with the worst hand.
One more quick hand:
BB J9o
EP limps (this is quite possibly the worst player I've ever seen, he has gone to the river with absolutely nothing a number of times and rarely raises. The grand central calling station. MP limps, SB completes, I check
Flop:
9 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif 2 /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 5 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif
I bet 3 bucks very confident in my hand. Everyone folds except grand central.
Turn: 4 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif
I bet 4 bucks, EP raises 4 and I quickly muck. "Nice hand" someone says. He goes yeah, and I had it turns over
A /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 3 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif
(notice they were the exact same hands, Ha ha)
I was pretty happy with that laydown.
Any thoughts would be appreciated
Joe
.50-1$ spread limit game, max bet 6$.
7 players at the table, folded to LP player, rather unpredictable, loose and sometimes aggressive. I look down and see
Q /forums/images/icons/spade.gif 10 /forums/images/icons/club.gif
I limp. Button calls. SB folds BB checks.
Flop
2 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif 3 /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 10 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif
BB checks, LP bets 1.50, I think about it. He could have JT, 9T, 8T, maybe even 7T. On the flip side, he could have AT, though I think he may have raised pre-flop as it had been folded to him, or KT. I think a raise may knock out the blind and button if they just have overcards or a gutshot. Plus, if my hand isn't good I may be able to take a free card if I have doubts about my hand or bet the turn and show down my hand for free at the River.
I raise another 1.50. The button cold calls the 3, BB folds. LP calls.
So much for that plan. I still felt there was a very good chance that I had the best hand.
Turn: A /forums/images/icons/spade.gif
LP checks, I think about it and check. Looking back I think this was a definate mistake for a number of reasons. If I would have bet and the button had an ace, and I bet, I think there is a good chance he would have raised me and I could have gotten away from the hand. By checking, as I did I put myself into a guessing mode which is really a weak play.
Button bets 2$. LP folds. I call thinking I still may have the best hand (yeah right).
River: 8 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif
I check, button bets 2, I call.
Button shows down A /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 3 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif for 2 pair and I muck. Now comes the strange part, afterwards I asked what LP had. Now I'm not an advocate of believing cards one doesn't see but when I asked him he told me he had KT. Apparently I had the worst hand the whole way. So I guess I would like to hear input about how to handle situations in which your kicker pairs but you don't have the best one (IE JT, QJ, KJ, QT, KT). I'm trying to balance aggressive value betting with knowing when its over and getting out. Also, what to do when an evercard comes. Necessary to balance between not giving a free card and not hanging yourself with the worst hand.
One more quick hand:
BB J9o
EP limps (this is quite possibly the worst player I've ever seen, he has gone to the river with absolutely nothing a number of times and rarely raises. The grand central calling station. MP limps, SB completes, I check
Flop:
9 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif 2 /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 5 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif
I bet 3 bucks very confident in my hand. Everyone folds except grand central.
Turn: 4 /forums/images/icons/spade.gif
I bet 4 bucks, EP raises 4 and I quickly muck. "Nice hand" someone says. He goes yeah, and I had it turns over
A /forums/images/icons/diamond.gif 3 /forums/images/icons/heart.gif
(notice they were the exact same hands, Ha ha)
I was pretty happy with that laydown.
Any thoughts would be appreciated
Joe