($11) First hand and everyone is limping

[me1tdown]

Quick question -- first hand of an $11 (10/15 blinds), I'm in the CO with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif and everyone has limped so far. I threw this away, but then I was curious if there is a good argument for calling (I won't even hint at pushing) given the pot odds. For simplicity sake assume that everyone calls (which is what happened -- less me), so $15 to call a pot of $135.

[lorinda]

I think the hand is so horrible I just sit back and make notes on what everyone else shows.

Lori

[EnderFFX]

If I'm feeling particularly sadistic, I'll thrown in a raise of $135 to wake everyone up. Sometimes you take the pot right then and there.

[me1tdown]

LOL -- that move is going in the tool bag.

One problem with that move. First hand still 3-4 big fish who will call anything. I would save the few chips for later. What if the flop comes and you hit your q, feel comfortable with the 7. Save the chips and later turn those 15 into 30 when a fish calls your nuts with 2nd pair

[lastchance]

It depends. You've got position, which makes it easier to stack people, and a nice big pot to take down if you hit two pair or trips... Your trips and two pair won't suck completely.

I think I limp here most of the time, and look for those monsters.

I fold because I don't want to make decisions in 10-way pots. If you know how to play a 10-way flop well (I sure as hell don't), go ahead.

[tonypaladino]

Pot odds and position are okay to good, but Button, SB & BB are still to act, and If they raise, you are folding.

10 handed post-flop play is scarry. Basically, unless I flop a boat or a strait (with no flush draw on board), I'm folding to a bet and multiple callers on the flop.

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I am dead serious when I say that I'd rather have J6o on the button than AA UTG in an unraised multiway pot with poor players. A good hand in a multiway pot is a set or better. A pair of aces don't mean anything, you're gonna have the highest pair guaranteed but that's it. If you call the hand down to the river with only top pair in a 5-way pot without a good reason then I think you're making a terrible mistake.

[durron597]

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I am dead serious when I say that I'd rather have J6o on the button than AA UTG in an unraised multiway pot with poor players.

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Well then don't let the pot get unraised when you have AA UTG...

[applejuicekid]

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I am dead serious when I say that I'd rather have J6o on the button than AA UTG in an unraised multiway pot with poor players.

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This is so silly.

[ilya]

I might limp with lots of hands there just for fun but Q8o is just too poor I think.

[45suited]

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If I'm feeling particularly masochistic, I'll thrown in a raise of $135 to wake everyone up.

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FYP

No need for that kind of FPS junk to win money on an 11. This aint the final table of the WPT. Let the donks do this kind of crap, be patient, sit this one out.

I can honestly say that it is possible to slaughter the 11s without ever bluffing in levels one or two. In fact, never bluffing EARLY against these opponents is the proper strategy.

[me1tdown]

Thanks to all for the input!

[Nicholasp27]

it may be 15 for 135, but what are the odds u'll hit a playable hand?

u need nut-straight or a boat...u can play a set or 2pair as well, tho beware

too many people in the pot...not worth it...



for perspective, pokerstove did an analysis of when it's ok to play unsuited connectors...

0-gap: sb with 5 limpers
1-gap: sb with 6 limpers
2-gap: unplayable
3-gap: unplayable

only 3.8% of flops will fit, according to pokerstove, and you'll win 53% of those hands

you need 60-1 odds to call 3-gap unsuited

12:1 for 0gap
15:1 for 1gap
20:1 for 2gap

hand % flop % win combined
high card 0.00 0.00 0.00
one pair 0.00 0.00 0.00
two pair 1.69 28.00 0.47
trips 0.89 61.00 0.54
straight 0.33 73.00 0.24
full house 0.81 92.00 0.74
quads 0.05 99.00 0.05
% pots won 2.04

It is NOT POSSIBLE to hit the nut straight Q8 offsuit.

[Nicholasp27]

you're right, that's why you only win 73% of those pots
where you do hit the straight