Play by play & color men

When I started playing in NYC awhile back it was clearly understood that there should be no talking during the play of a hand. Of course that understanding was sometimes ignored when players out continued a conversation started before the next hand was dealt but no offence was taken if they were told to be quiet. I can hardly ever remember players talking about what was going on in a hand in progress if they were not involved in the hand.

Today, all to often, folded players don't follow this rule. I notice, more and more, that two players seated next to each other, when both are folded, will openly talk about what is going on. One of them may have indicated what he had folded and they will converse along the lines of "I would have had a piece of that" and the next one advising him whether or not he thought it was good and what the other players may have and what they might do. They'll continue this way all the way to the end. They don't even try to keep their voices down. I've given up on trying to make them stop because they may stop for a little while and just do it again later and because I'd have to do it in every game I play. If anybody has come up with an effective way to get players not to discuss a hand in progress in this manner I'd like to hear it.

On a side note:

There are countless numbers of players who fold and then jump up, bang the table, or throw their arms in the air if the flop would've hit their hand esp. on a paired board. There's no way I've found to make them control that behavior either. The reply to my suggestion that they've given away information to players involved in a hand is often "I didn't say anything!" As if they HAD to "say" anything.

[STLantny]

Are you a dealer? If not, you are an idiot.

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Why?

[tonypaladino]

go back to RGP troll

I'm guessing "NYC" doesn't mean AC casinos. If you were playing in a "real" cardroom this crap wouldn't be happening. If the dealer didn't tell these pukes to STFU, anybody I've ever played with would. And some would welcome a shot at getting physical.

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I'm guessing "NYC" doesn't mean AC casinos. If you were playing in a "real" cardroom this crap wouldn't be happening. If the dealer didn't tell these pukes to STFU, anybody I've ever played with would. And some would welcome a shot at getting physical.

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I played in the private NYC clubs at first and then in AC. Enforcement of this rule was assured in the clubs and not in the casinos. I wish more people felt like you. I play in Arizona, LA and LV. The dealers absolutely should tell them to shut up but they don't, for the most part. They do if I tell them to but otherwise they usually don't say a thing. I've noticed that the old time dealers often do but there are many new dealers who don't have an appreciation for the game and this behavior is now so prevalent that it would be like trying to hold back the tide. It's sort of feeding off itself in a way. Some players see others do it and think it's ok if they do it and it spreads.

And then there are the players who do everything except shout that they folded one of the paired cards on the flop.

You got choices:

Call - Accept what's going on
Raise - Complain to the Floor Manager and/or his boss.
Fold - Stop playing there

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You got choices:

Call - Accept what's going on
Raise - Complain to the Floor Manager and/or his boss.
Fold - Stop playing there

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You know, you are right. I've become too accepting. I'm going to try "Raise" and talk to the room manager to see if he'll train/instruct the dealers to stop this behavior.

[sirpupnyc]

I think I've seen some of this just about everywhere I've played, and I don't think there's been anywhere (not even Motor City) where the dealer didn't cut it off if it was particularly notable or continuous.

On the bright side, people who can't restrain themselves when they're not in a hand probably don't do so well at it when they still have cards, either.

[STLantny]

Hey I got a GREAT idea!

next time I play, Im going to bitch to management, get the game to hate me for being an ass, and tell all the players that Im too stupid to realize they are giving me free information, and to shutup, because I think I should rule the world, because I am the cardroom king of the midwest.

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Hey I got a GREAT idea!

next time I play, Im going to bitch to management, get the game to hate me for being an ass, and tell all the players that Im too stupid to realize they are giving me free information, and to shutup, because I think I should rule the world, because I am the cardroom king of the midwest.

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You've pointed out the main reason that I've kept quiet. I don't want to be an ass, look holier than thou and I don't think I'm king of anything. But it is the rule, you know, and if people let one slide what about the others? Additionally I just don't think it's fair to the other players. It gets so bad sometimes, and they can talk so loud, that they may just as well have folded their cards face up and the conversation, and all loud conversation during a hand is distracting. Still and all I thank you for telling me *why*

[chekthastak]

I agree completely with Howard. It's really annoying when there is a hand going on and people are discussing what they had. This gives players in the hand information they shouldn't have. Like say the flop comes 88K and one guy gets upset and says I can't believe I folded my 8. Now if there is somebody in the hand with AK they are pretty confident nobody in the hand has an 8 since there is only 1 left in the deck. Now he can play his hand much more aggresively. It can also have the reverse affect. This is an actual example I saw in a casino and it cost a guy his entire stack. Flop comes KKJ, and a guy who has folded basically jumps out his seat and says I had a K. The pot is heads up so one guy goes looks at the person out of the hand and smiles and moves all in, the guy still in the hand calls. The caller ended up having AK, and the guy who pushed had AJ, but since someone anounced they had a K, he figured the person in the pot didn't have a K.

It's one thing if your tells give away your hand, but when it begins to influence the play of everybody in the hand, and you don't even have cards it should be put to a stop immediately.

BTW this is my first post, glad to be a contributing member.

[Georgia Avenue]

This is a complex issue. I agree with the OP but don't have a quick solution. The problem with asking for advice about this is that it differs by place, player and game.

Game:
In low stakes limit: who cares really? Can't see how this kind of talk would influence things.
In high stakes limit or nl: Someone this stupid shoyld be welcome at the table regardless of the damage he may cause on a particular hand.
Tournaments: A friendly game is unnesessary so complain as loudly as you can and demand thatthe guy shut up. Nittitude not a problem.

This leaves only: Low to mid stakes NL. As chek points out, this could affect someones whole stack...

Anyway, I prefer to speak immediately to the player if I am in a hand. Stop whatever you're doing and either wink and say "Shhhhhhhh..." OR Ask them directly, "Please, dude, don't talk during my hands..." This makes it seem like its simply a courtesy to YOU as if YOU are the one with the weird silence issue, and you're asking the moreon a favor.
This is much more effective than complaining to the dealer/floor if you ask me.

You could also just start staring at the dealer until he gets the hint. But when the dealer asks someone to do something, it's much less effective and may change as soon as the dealer leaves. My $2.50...

[STLantny]

It was VERY VERY annoying to me at first, when I heard talk like this, but then I wisened up, and now really look forward to it. Its all about the bottom line, and table talk always means a better bottom line, no matter what that talk may be.

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The caller ended up having AK, and the guy who pushed had AJ, but since someone anounced they had a K, he figured the person in the pot didn't have a K.


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Impeccable logic; quads are impossible and poker players never lie about what they folded.

[Richard Tanner]

1) STL is just an ass 2) I believe he is alluding to the information that they are giving away, and that you can use it.

Cody

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Hey I got a GREAT idea!

next time I play, Im going to bitch to management, get the game to hate me for being an ass, and tell all the players that Im too stupid to realize they are giving me free information, and to shutup, because I think I should rule the world, because I am the cardroom king of the midwest.

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Whos the Troll now? Quit trying to pick a fight jackass

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Whos the Troll now? Quit trying to pick a fight jackass


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There was a thread about this guy (STL) elsewhere that I'm now beginning to understand.

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[STLantny]

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Whos the Troll now? Quit trying to pick a fight jackass


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There was a thread about this guy (STL) elsewhere that I'm now beginning to understand.

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Yes, I am an ass, to you guys, possibly. But, I would never ever let it affect my earn rate at the poker table. So in fact Im helping you guys out, because Im trying to show you how to make more money. So, basically, you are the ones being assess. I accept your apology.



And to nut4dawgs, are you refering to the thread where someone said that I was ignoring everyone??? hehe...go take a look at that again, its actually quite funny.

Poker Hint #165: The guy to your right yelling, "Damn, I folded my 8!", will be the one calling bets he shouldn't looking to hit his straight with 62o.

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Poker Hint #165: The guy to your right yelling, "Damn, I folded my 8!", will be the one calling bets he shouldn't looking to hit his straight with 62o.

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Of course. But *we* can spot him anyway. My point, not to be repetitive, is that it affects the game negatively. When this behavior gets really bad at a table these players might just as well fold their cards face up. There are people who do just that when they get tilted sometimes and it annoys everybody. Talking about what you've folded is not that far off, to me.

Btw: I haven't been able to speak to the room manager yet but one floorman so far has told me that there is no specific rule against what I've posted about. He says it's to be decided on a case by case basis if it's affecting the play of the game and he considers it more a matter of etiquette. I sure hope he's wrong.

Just to finish this up I spoke to a senior poker room manager and he told me that he'd see to it that the dealers would pay greater attention to what I told him was often going on and, since this sort of talk shouldn't happen, they would direct the offenders to stop. I hope it works.

[BillsChips]

Don't get your point STL. Here's a real-life story that would even piss you off.

300max NL Live. I limp in the big blind with 8Tc. I flop the nut straight on a board of 7 9 J rainbow. I check and call a $30 bet. Turn is an Ace. Original bettor bets $50 and I go all-in ($125). While he's deciding whether to call, someone at the table says "possible straight". The villain says "Sh#t, I didn't see that" and folds.

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Don't get your point STL. Here's a real-life story that would even piss you off.

300max NL Live. I limp in the big blind with 8Tc. I flop the nut straight on a board of 7 9 J rainbow. I check and call a $30 bet. Turn is an Ace. Original bettor bets $50 and I go all-in ($125). While he's deciding whether to call, someone at the table says "possible straight". The villain says "Sh#t, I didn't see that" and folds.

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STL doesnt care he just wants to argue with Howard

[nebben]

YSSCKY

[TakeMeToTheRiver]

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YSSCKY

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What is with all the negativity to Mr. Beale? He has a valid point about B&M play. Are you all just a bunch of nits?

Anyway, I usually wait until the hand is over and the calmly suggest that the blabbers should not react to the cards while other players are playing in a hand. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. I have no problem with general, non-hand-specific chit chat. That is usually +EV