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NiR
09-22-2005, 12:35 AM
i have 22 in BB. blinds 150/300. its bubble and sb (chip leader ) pushes. i have 800 more to call. is this a call or a fold and push any 2 next chance i get? what is 22 vs any 2? im guessing slight underdog tossup at BEST.

stacks were 1200, 1300, 4000 (sb), and me with 1100(sb).

i post blind and have 800 more left to make the call on sb push.
splashpot
09-22-2005, 12:38 AM
I'd fold. I'd rather push any 2 next time it's folded to me.
09-22-2005, 12:40 AM
22 is a 49-51 dog to a random hand

I would call...right now you're in a dog fight for 3rd
but if you double up, you have a good shot at 1st.
09-22-2005, 12:44 AM
Calling 800 to win 2200, need to win only 36% of the time
for calling to be +EV.

Call, and I don't think its close.
deathpotato
09-22-2005, 12:54 AM
Fold. This is an easy decision if you look at it with the ICM - try it out.
09-22-2005, 12:55 AM
what range did u put the pusher on?
deathpotato
09-22-2005, 01:28 AM
Any two
NiR
09-22-2005, 01:51 AM
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what range did u put the pusher on?

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any 2

and to add.. this was in 33's
Fatdogs12
09-22-2005, 02:26 AM
That is chip EV though. best case scenario he is a slight favorite (though his chances of the dude having a higher pair are really small). I prefer pusing a random hand next time though.
ilya
09-22-2005, 02:56 AM
What are the stacks, really? Your numbers add up to 7600.
NiR
09-22-2005, 03:05 AM
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What are the stacks, really? Your numbers add up to 7600.

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... ok big stack has the remaining difference...
Fatdogs12
09-22-2005, 03:17 AM
Okay after thinking about this some more this is what I think. If you fold you got 800 chips, u call and win you got 2200. You fold and push any 2 next hand you still got probably a 60% chance of him folding (maybe more, maybe less). Then u will get your chips back and then u can push again on the next hand if need be.

I don't know SNG says to be a bit more tight in the BB there and only call with 44+. This is a tough one for me but I really don't think there is a wrong play here. I just would prefer to go into things with a better chance of taking a pot and a better shot at winning.
bawcerelli
09-22-2005, 03:17 AM
i'd fold. let big stack either raise another small stack next hand and hope they get knocked out or big stack folds and you can push all in against bb
09-22-2005, 04:40 AM
You have pushing-position to the other short stacks and with 800 chips enough FE. Even if the big stack would be pushing the next 12 hands and everyone would fold you get probably a better HU-hand in the next hands. Just fold.

btw, is there a more overrated hand than 22 in HU-play? May be AA?
Fatdogs12
09-22-2005, 06:28 AM
Something else to consider though is that the big stack could push again next hand though.
bawcerelli
09-22-2005, 06:53 AM
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Something else to consider though is that the big stack could push again next hand though.

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and the BB small stack might call...and get knocked out.
NiR
09-22-2005, 07:11 PM
well i was thinking more in the terms of that i would have a better chance stealing the blinds next hand. so i folded. next hand big stack folded so i pushed with any 2 and got the blinds. then the next hand after that big stack folded again and i pushed again but got called and lost a tossup. but either way i think folding in those situations and pushing any 2 next chance u get is the best play.