Ugh, Really bad play by me

No reads. I can't figure out how to play this any differently, though I know I did really bad. I encourage a lot of flaming. I bet after the flop as a continuation, and decided to give it another shot on the turn, and was already pot committed by then (or not? maybe I should've folded)

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG (t695)
UTG+1 (t1085)
MP1 (t1600)
MP2 (t615)
MP3 (t1095)
CO (t595)
Button (t730)
Hero (t785)
BB (t800)

Preflop: Hero is SB with J/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to t125</font>, <font color="#666666">5 folds</font>, Button calls t125, Hero calls t115, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>.

Flop: (t390) A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t150</font>, UTG folds, Button calls t150.

Turn: (t690) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t200</font>, Button calls t200.

River: (t1090) Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets t255 (All-In)</font>, Hero calls t255.

Final Pot: t1600

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">
Button has Qs Ad (two pair, aces and queens).
Hero has Jh Jd (two pair, jacks and eights).
Outcome: Button wins t1600. </font>

[Paul2432]

I think if you are going to play this hand, you should just re-raise all-in pre-flop. Out of position, it is too tricky to play after the flop.

Whether you do play is a judgement call.

Paul

[Matador225]

Slow down when that ace hits. With two people in with you its pretty likely one has the ace. If I made a continuation bet (which I wouldn't and especially not that much in relation to your stack) I would definitely be done with that hand after getting it called. You should have saved your remaining chips and not fired again on the turn.

[splashpot]

I definately give up after he calls the flop bet. Check fold from there on.

[Newt_Buggs]

betting the flop is horrible IMO. What are you trying to accomplish by betting this flop?

What buyin is this? I might push pf.

[durron597]

Preflop is the most interesting decision in the hand. I don't mind call or push but that decision depends on a lot of factors most of which are not listed in this hand.

However, given that you called, the flop is easy. Check and fold.

[runner4life7]

I agree with the logic that that ace hitting almost guarantees you are 2nd best if not worse and you cant really continuation bet after you called the raise.

I am wondering if anyone is ok with folding here?

[Fatdogs12]

I think there are other factors to consider here. First of all you raised more than 10X preflop. Anyone who is calling you has either got an Ax or a pocket pair. Two people in it with you and u are out of position, no other option but to dump it.

[Sciolist]

I think it's a serious mistake to reraise allin preflop with JJ in level 1. If the blinds were 50/100, yes, I agree that that's the play. At 10/15, I'm going to play preflop like the Hero does.

[Sciolist]

Well, I guess I should've read all the responses before my earlier post on this thread. I really don't like reraising allin with JJ in level one. You don't need the chips, you are very, very likely to be called by two overs or a hand that will dominate you.

I don't want coin flips in level 1 if I can possibly help it, and that's the most likely result here. Villain already made it 10x, my typical reaction in the small limit SNG is that he's not letting it go preflop. I am calling here.

[bawcerelli]

it's really important to list the buyin. at a low buyin i think i'm calling and seeing a flop. if the flop is all unders check to the raiser and then put him all in on the flop. at a higher buy in...a big utg raise... probably fold it this early.

[Freudian]

I'd fold JJ to a 8xBB raise and call in level 1 every time.

[RikaKazak]

FOLD PF, or ck/fold that flop 3 way

[jeffraider]

Fold preflop, and your flop bet is just bad no matter what hand you're holding, really.

[mosdef]

I would too, however I think a call is not absolutely terrible.

So long as the BB is a nice guy and doesn't do something unpleasant like raise, you'll be okay from a chip EV standpoint since you'll see a flop full of under often enough.

However, I am on the school of thought that I don't really want to commit a big chunk of my stack to playing JJ out of position against two players. I just don't see much good happening on the flop. If the flop has a J and an A, that's good, but that's not worth paying so much prelop for. If the flop an A, K, or Q, I'm stuck. I can't knock them off of the pot easily; it would be a big chunk of my stack and I would need to scare off 2 guys who were willing to pay big preflop. If the flop comes with all unders, I probably am not going to make a lot of money then either. In this case I could check-raise, but by that point the AK and AQ hands may actually have the odds to call my allin.

It just gets worse the more I think about it. Like I said, a call could probably end up being about a breakeven chip EV move, maybe even slightly +cEV, but I want to be in a good, managable position if I am calling off a sixth of my stack in level 1 of a SNG. Those chips just have too much value to me later in the form of fold equity to play use them to gain a marginal position now.

Sorry, it was a Party 10+1

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[ QUOTE ]
I think if you are going to play this hand, you should just re-raise all-in pre-flop. Out of position, it is too tricky to play after the flop.

Whether you do play is a judgement call.

Paul

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I agree...you either have to push or get out of there. You have to give UTG credit for the out of position raise. Jacks are tough to play on streets when anything higher hits.