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09-21-2005, 10:10 PM
A few hands here I'd like to get some feedback on, please. I'm trying to get a feel for when to push and when not to. I'm doing okay but I feel like I'm pushing too hard in places and costing myself some money:

Hand #1:
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: A (2085)
Seat 3: B (275)
Seat 5: C (2300)
Seat 9: D (2930)
Seat 10: Hero (410)
A posts small blind (75)
B posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ah, 5s ]
C folds.
D raises (300) to 300
Hero raises (410) to 410
Hero is all-In.

I pushed here because I had an ace and because 4th and 5th were so short-stacked that the other 3 could likely wait us out, so I thought I had to push then.

Hand #2:
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 2: A (3315)
Seat 3: Hero (965)
Seat 9: B (2460)
Seat 10: C (1260)
B posts small blind (200)
C posts big blind (400)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh, 7c ]
A folds.
Hero raises (965) to 965
Hero is all-In.


Standard?


Hand #3:
Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: A (1645)
Seat 3: B (2115)
Seat 6: C (1310)
Seat 7: Hero (1475)
Seat 8: D (545)
Seat 9: E (910)
C posts small blind (100)
Hero posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Jd, Kd ]
D folds.
E folds.
A raises (450) to 450
B folds.
C folds.
Hero raises (1275) to 1475

I think I got impatient here, thinking about 100/200 blinds and a button that seemed to raise fairly often. I just thought he had crap here and would fold. Did I just get impatient and stuck on stupid on this hand?


Hand #4:
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 1: Hero (900)
Seat 2: C (1230)
Seat 4: D (3330)
Seat 7: A (290)
Seat 9: B (2250)
C posts small blind (150)
D posts big blind (300)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Tc, 6d ]
A folds.
B folds.
Hero raises (900) to 900
Hero is all-In.


Impatient with 4 other players at these blinds?



Hand #5:
Seat 4 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 3: A (1372)
Seat 4: Hero (1028)
Seat 9: B (4400)
Seat 10: C (1200)
B posts small blind (100)
C posts big blind (200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Ac, 8c ]
A folds.
Hero raises (1028) to 1028
Hero is all-In.


Standard?


Hand #6:
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 5
Seat 5: Hero (710)
Seat 7: A (1130)
Seat 8: B (2310)
Seat 9: C (3160)
Seat 10: D (690)
Hero posts small blind (75)
A posts big blind (150)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qs, 3d ]
B folds.
C folds.
D folds.
Hero raises (635) to 710
Hero is all-In.


Standard?


Thanks!

Jackrabbit Slim
09-21-2005, 10:28 PM
I'll give it a shot, but I barely beat the 11s myself so feel free to ignore some or all of my opinions /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hand 1: I'm not thrilled about a guaranteed showdown with a best scenario of being a 60% favourite. I'd fold and just wait to shove when first in next time. Folding equity is nice even if it's tiny.

Hand 2: I think you have to push this, but if BB realizes he should call with any two here more or less, it's pretty close.

Hand 3: This one is a pretty easy fold I think. You have a healthy stack (well, sort of) and KJs just isn't that good. Even if the raiser is a maniac you're still a dog to any ace here.

Hand 4: Same as hand 2, I don't like it but you have to shove here I think. Pray that BB hasn't read the book on pot odds.

Hand 5: This one is easy, PUSH! /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Hand 6: Unless BB is a complete maniac, this one is also an easy push.


Btw, SnG Power Tools is a nice program /images/graemlins/grin.gif

09-21-2005, 11:00 PM
Tigerbeat,

The single most important factor when considering a push with 8BBs or less is not your cards, but your "first in vigorish."

To put it more colloquially -- You MUST be the first one into the pot to have the best expected returns on your short-stack push.

Therefore hands 1 and 3 were bad pushes. The rest are fine.

edit -- First In Vigorish trumps even your cards. I would rather push 800 with a 72o with three folds in front of me than push that same amount into a 3xBB raiser in front when I'm holding ATo

lastchance
09-21-2005, 11:12 PM
Hand 1: Having 3x BB sucks. You need to push.

Hand 2: Freak. I think I fold, due to some of the bubble issues involved. It's very likely to be a 3-way hand, and you have no FE. But, getting nice odds here would be excellent.

Hand 3: Yeah, getting impatient.

Hand 4: Ugh. Again, no FE with 3x BB sucks. But I guess you push this and hope.

Hand 5: These are the types of pushes you need to be making. You need to push hands here to pick up chips so you don't get blinded out. With B still left to act, you can't be a push monkey, but you need to pick up chips here.

Hand 6: I push this very, very quickly. Again, you really need to push here with only one person left to act, and therefore, a helluva lot of FE.

You're getting shortstacked way too much. You need to pay attention to your own stack, and make a lot of moves with 7x BB, 6x BB, 5x BB, because getting 4x BB and having no FE sucks.

In the lategame, you don't win by being patient. You win by picking up the blinds.

09-22-2005, 11:55 AM
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You're getting shortstacked way too much. You need to pay attention to your own stack, and make a lot of moves with 7x BB, 6x BB, 5x BB, because getting 4x BB and having no FE sucks.

In the lategame, you don't win by being patient. You win by picking up the blinds.

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This is a problem for me, too. I am typically waiting until 5 BB before I start making aggressive pushes. At 6 or 7 BB, I am still waiting for cards. I want to push with something like QT with 3 people still to act, but I get cold feet unless I'm at 4-5 BB or less. I looked at SnG Tracker, and it looks like something I'll need to pick up.

09-22-2005, 11:59 AM
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To put it more colloquially -- You MUST be the first one into the pot to have the best expected returns on your short-stack push.

Therefore hands 1 and 3 were bad pushes. The rest are fine.

edit -- First In Vigorish trumps even your cards. I would rather push 800 with a 72o with three folds in front of me than push that same amount into a 3xBB raiser in front when I'm holding ATo

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I'm usually (key word, "usually") pretty good about that. My biggest two problems at this point seem to be waiting too late to start open-pushing (I usually wait until 4-5 BB to do this), and getting impatient in situations where, even though I am average in terms of chip stacks, blinds are going up very high with several players still left (my KJ suited hand being a good example of that).

09-22-2005, 12:05 PM
I thought all but #3 were easy pushes, which was clearly not a push

Marc H
09-22-2005, 05:04 PM
Read Harrington on Hold'em, Vol. II.