Stealing Food From Employers

-I worked at Domino's for about 2 years delivering pizzas. In my time there I saw an insane amount of pizza stolen by employees. Stealing sodas and pizzas was very common at our store until new managment took over ran a much tighter ship. Co-workers would have friends call in orders and then cancel the order which would leave the store with extra pizzas. I honestly don't think our store made money until the new managers arrived.

My property manager at my appartment used to own a Mexican restaurant which he had to shut down due to employee theft. He said he found some workers grilling pounds and pounds of carne asada stolen from the store at a BBQ. They had broken into the store and taken about 30lbs of steak. Any of you guys have stories from restaurants or fast food chains you worked at?

[bravos1]

I never worked in the food industry, but a friend of mine used to work at Baskin Robbins when we were in highschool. We would all go in and get something... hand him a ten, and he would give us back our change which always equalled $10. He did it this way because they had a camera in the store.

[Hamish McBagpipe]

I know a guy who works at a grocery chain's local warehouse where he picks the orders for the trucks that go to the stores. He wears an apron over his clothes and inside the warehouse it is air-conditioned and refridgerated. So, they don't notice that he is wearing a rope around his neck. Every day he hooks like half a dozen steaks onto the rope underneath his clothes and walks by security that only checks bags. He then tries to sell them on the street outside his apartment. What a goddamn skid.

When I put myself through school I worked as a waiter during the summer at a fancy joint. There were only a few incidents. But one time I remember...I was out all day, didn't eat, customer pissed me off, tray with his beef wellington was on my shoulder bringing it between the kitchen and the dining room. Craned my neck over while walking. CHOMP!

I forgot about my friend who worked at Thrifty's Ice Cream who was fired for giving ice cream to friends. He ended paying the store $500 for embezzled ice cream.

[toddw8]

I worked at a liquor store for a year and a lot of my fellow employees stole beer. The store didn't track inventory very well for some of the high volume sellers such as cases of Bud Light and Coors Light so a few people would walk out with these almost daily. We also got an employee discount, which no one really hesitated to pass along to any friend (or hot girl) that came in.

When I quit working there it was getting pretty bad and I'm pretty sure the [censored] hit the fan not long after I left.

[manpower]

A friend of mine worked at a video for about a year until it closed. At first it was little stuff like wiping a late fee, then it was free rentals, and by the time paychecks started bouncing he'd just take movies from the place. They also got high in the backroom and played porno in the back of the store on slow days.

[DeathbySuckout]

Sometimes I drink my boss's Pepsi when he leaves one in the fridge at work.

Does this count?

[cdxx]

i sued to work at a bagel shop. there was no stealing at all at it. i mean not even day-old bagel (but why would you want to?).

it also helped that the managers would give away free/half-price meals for us.

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I know a guy who works at a grocery chain's local warehouse where he picks the orders for the trucks that go to the stores. He wears an apron over his clothes and inside the warehouse it is air-conditioned and refridgerated. So, they don't notice that he is wearing a rope around his neck. Every day he hooks like half a dozen steaks onto the rope underneath his clothes and walks by security that only checks bags. He then tries to sell them on the street outside his apartment.

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Is there anyone here who would consider buying a steak from some guy on the street?

[MrTrik]

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Is there anyone here who would consider buying a steak from some guy on the street?

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Not me.

[MrTrik]

When I was a young punk kid in my first job which was as a dishwasher in a large hotel with banqueat facilities we used to rip them off.

I was only 13 years old but we'd go to haul the dishes from a banquest back to wash and there'd be Gallon Jugs of Inglenook red wine there. These were kind of 'in reserve' for the banquet but often they'd reserve much more than they could drink.

So before the main guy would come confiscate the wine and lock it up in the liquor room we'd grab one and throw it in with the garbage. Then we'd take the garbage out back of the place (outside) and extract the gallon jug and hide it in bushes. Later ... after getting off work we'd grab it and head somewhere.

At first we'd sell it to older guys in the neighborhood so they could get their chicks drunk for good SIIHP action. Eventually we kept one and got our first experience with bad wine and serious drunkeness and serious hangovers. Later it lead to hot chicks for us too.

[jdd12]

I worked at a Tex-Mex place as a delivery driver. There were two things we would do.

On big caterings, we would simply take any leftovers (full pans that were never opened) back to our apartment. Always good to get drunk and eat fajitas. Actually, if we took it back to the restaurant, the owner would tell the cooks to sell it to the current customers.

The other was much more lucrative.

The hostess up front would answer the phones and write the order on a duplicate note pad. She would tear the first copy off and bring it to the back. We were supposed to key the order into the system off of the ticket, and it would create a ticket for the cooks. Well, it would often get busy, so instead of keying in the ticket, we would put it in our pocket and just call out what we need. They would be so busy, they would just throw our food up (fajitas were quick). We would deliver it, charge the customer the normal price, but then pocket 100% of it. The customer wasn't getting ripped off. When we'd get back, we innocently ask to see the original copy that the hostess kept, and take it back to the kitchen with us...at $16-20 bucks a pop on top of our above average driver wage and our tips, we made decent money.

[orange]

I worked at a Subway sandwhich shop for about a year and a half. Our store was tiny, and we had (at most) 2 employees working at one time. Generally, I worked with another person my age, so there were really no superiors.

I rarely saw my manager (who was a 35 year old lady)except on weekends.

During my stead, it was open season. I ate hundreds of foot-longs and stole drinks/ice cream from Goodrich. I either gave out free food or gave friends a huge discount.

While the Subway stamps were still going, we took an entire roll one time, and I gave them away/kept them for my benefit. Maybe thats why they stopped doing them...

I suppose I sound like a bad person, but it primarely did it to confinscate for my poor pay ($6/hour over 1 1/2 years=lame). Almost every employee that worked there stole food, and I can't imagine how much they lost because of us.

[Jimbo]

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I suppose I sound like a bad person, but it primarely did it to confinscate for my poor pay ($6/hour over 1 1/2 years=lame).

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All thieves justify their theft in one way or another. I see you are no different. I guess someone held a gun to your head and make you work there right?

Low life scumbag thieves make me puke.

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I suppose I sound like a bad person, but it primarely did it to confinscate for my poor pay ($6/hour over 1 1/2 years=lame).

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All thieves justify their theft in one way or another. I see you are no different. I guess someone held a gun to your head and make you work there right?

Low life scumbag thieves make me puke.

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[Sponger15SB]

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i sued to work at a bagel shop. there was no stealing at all at it. i mean not even day-old bagel (but why would you want to?).

it also helped that the managers would give away free/half-price meals for us.

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So they were stealing for you.

When I worked at a bagel shop I'd get a bagel when I walked in, a $7 sandwich, a bag of chips and a nantucket nectar almost every day. I'm not even sure what I was allowed but it probably wasn't that.

The managers didn't care but I'm sure the owner would have if he found out.

[ChipWrecked]

I worked at a local pizza joint in college. No need to steal. Eat what you want, free beer after your shift. Make delivery drivers a sandwich to take with them. Totally cool owner. The place made money too.

The free beer policy was eventually amended to two free beers only. Mostly because the manager was an alky and he'd sit there drinking for six hours after his shift. But if we were closing, sheeeeit. Drunken spades games were pretty common after hours.

[canis582]

My fraternity used to run a consession stand at a large arena in a major city for Basketball games and concerts.

We cooked the books and left with a twenty or two in our pokets.

[imported_The Vibesman]

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Is there anyone here who would consider buying a steak from some guy on the street?

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I had a questionable looking guy at a subway station try to sell me a bag of frozen shrimp once. Ice crystals on it and everything.

Him: Hey, you wanna buy some shrimp? Ten bucks, come on!
Me: No thanks, my man, I don't dig seafood.
Him: Yeah, but I bet you got a girlfriend that does!
Me: LOL.

When I worked at a gas station, there was a sub shop next door and they used to set us up w/ free/discounted subs if the right person was working. We used to take an occasional soda or OJ from the station as well.

[mackthefork]

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I suppose I sound like a bad person, but it primarely did it to confinscate for my poor pay ($6/hour over 1 1/2 years=lame).

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All thieves justify their theft in one way or another. I see you are no different. I guess someone held a gun to your head and make you work there right?

Low life scumbag thieves make me puke.

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Get over yourself,paying 6 dollars an hour is a worse crime than stealing.

Mack

[Aces McGee]

When I was in high school, my friend worked at our local Taco Bell, which was owned by a pretty young guy who still knew a lot of kids from our high school.

The place went out of business pretty quickly. We used to go in and get free food like every day, and after a while, we'd just head to the back and make the food ourselves. Occasionally, we'd be at a party or something and someone would get hungry, and the kid would take someone and they'd go open the store up (it closed very early) and get a bunch of food and bring it back.

Eventually, employees started just taking money, and that was it -- they had to shut it down.

-McGee

[STLantny]

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I suppose I sound like a bad person, but it primarely did it to confinscate for my poor pay ($6/hour over 1 1/2 years=lame).

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All thieves justify their theft in one way or another. I see you are no different. I guess someone held a gun to your head and make you work there right?

Low life scumbag thieves make me puke.

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Get over yourself,paying 6 dollars an hour is a worse crime than stealing.

Mack

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Its over the minumum wage. If you agree to that wage, you should not feel like you are entitled to more. There is a reason you are working in a place like this, hence the 6$/hr.

[daveymck]

Is more a stealing food story.

Working in London Last year went out to Burger King with a collegue is next to a supermarket this guy pushes his way to the front of the queue asks the BK staff for a carrier bag which they gave him, he then pulls out 10 boxes of steak from under his coat puts it in the carrier and runs out of BK no doubt to sell the steak at the nearby underground station.

[cadillac1234]

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A good friend of mine owns a bar and he basically has to work it from opening to closing everyday since anytime he hires a new bartender they end up stealing him blind or allow others to steal things

One even took the buck's head mounted on the wall by the pool table.

[jakethebake]

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A good friend of mine owns a bar and he basically has to work it from opening to closing everyday since anytime he hires a new bartender they end up stealing him blind or allow others to steal things

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This is pretty much why my parents closed their restaurant. They hoped to find someone they could trust to eventually open or close or something but it never happened.

[STLantny]

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A good friend of mine owns a bar and he basically has to work it from opening to closing everyday since anytime he hires a new bartender they end up stealing him blind or allow others to steal things

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This is pretty much why my parents closed their restaurant. They hoped to find someone they could trust to eventually open or close or something but it never happened.

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If you would have asked me this question about 3 months ago, I would have said, hell ya, steal as much as you can from these places. Now that I know, somewhat, the books and how things run at a bar/restaurant, I think anyone who steals is an ignorant [censored].

[mackthefork]

Well done, I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

Mack

[STLantny]

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Well done, I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

Mack

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Voluntarily working for 6$/hr because you are too stupid/lazy/apathetic to get another job is not slavery. You think that someone should get 20$/hr to mess an order at subway, thats ridiculous.

[jakethebake]

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Well done, I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

Mack

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Voluntarily working for 6$/hr because you are too stupid/lazy/apathetic to get another job is not slavery. You think that someone should get 20$/hr to mess an order at subway, thats ridiculous.

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If you don't like your job, get another one. If you can't, it's because you're not qualified for one. If you're not qualified for one, then you don't deserve one. And if you're a thief, you deserve to a job making license plates.

[STLantny]

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Well done, I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

Mack

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Voluntarily working for 6$/hr because you are too stupid/lazy/apathetic to get another job is not slavery. You think that someone should get 20$/hr to mess an order at subway, thats ridiculous.

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If you don't like your job, get another one. If you can't, it's because you're not qualified for one. If you're not qualified for one, then you don't deserve one. And if you're a thief, you deserve to a job making license plates.

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Jake when I first read your posts, I thought you were a complete moron, now, I think I have too much in common with you. That may or may not be a good thing.

[mackthefork]

If you can't pay a living wage to staff, then you should go broke. Pay people enough and you should be able to trust them. I just saw your reply to Jake, 3 months ago you thought differently, what changed your mind? I used to be a practice accountant I also know how restaurants/bars run.

Mack

[mackthefork]

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Well done, I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

Mack

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Voluntarily working for 6$/hr because you are too stupid/lazy/apathetic to get another job is not slavery. You think that someone should get 20$/hr to mess an order at subway, thats ridiculous.

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If you don't like your job, get another one. If you can't, it's because you're not qualified for one. If you're not qualified for one, then you don't deserve one. And if you're a thief, you deserve to a job making license plates.

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Fair enough, by the same logic if you don't pay fair wages you deserve idiots and thieves from the bottom of the food chain, and you deserve to have your business go broke. Cuts both ways.

Mack

[STLantny]

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If you can't pay a living wage to staff, then you should go broke. Pay people enough and you should be able to trust them. I just saw your reply to Jake, 3 months ago you thought differently, what changed your mind? I used to be a practice accountant I also know how restaurants/bars run.

Mack

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There is a reason that people get paid 6$ an hour. If you paid them 10$ an hour, they arent going to stop stealing. I now work in the bar/restaurant business, I matte touch screens/databases/registers with quickbooks/peachtree etc and set them up to streamline their operation, from basically the ground up. Ie, from over-pouring, to the way management deals with their money, I dont know all there is to know, since I just started, but I can already tell that theft is a always a major contributor to putting a place out of business (something that I didnt realize 3 months ago).

[jakethebake]

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If you can't pay a living wage to staff, then you should go broke. Pay people enough and you should be able to trust them. I just saw your reply to Jake, 3 months ago you thought differently, what changed your mind? I used to be a practice accountant I also know how restaurants/bars run.

Mack

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An employer has no obligation to pay a living wage to anyone. But you're right, if they can't pay a wage someone is willing to work for, they won't have employees. If they have no employees, they have no business. If they're paying employees too much, yes they go broke. But as long as there is someone willing to work for $6/hour that's what the company should pay.

[RunDownHouse]

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Pay people enough and you should be able to trust them.

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This is hopelessly naive for any restaurant/bar owner.

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Pay people enough and you should be able to trust them.
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this is the dumbest thing i ever heard.

[jakethebake]

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Well done, I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

Mack

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Voluntarily working for 6$/hr because you are too stupid/lazy/apathetic to get another job is not slavery. You think that someone should get 20$/hr to mess an order at subway, thats ridiculous.

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If you don't like your job, get another one. If you can't, it's because you're not qualified for one. If you're not qualified for one, then you don't deserve one. And if you're a thief, you deserve to a job making license plates.

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Fair enough, by the same logic if you don't pay fair wages you deserve idiots and thieves from the bottom of the food chain, and you deserve to have your business go broke. Cuts both ways.

Mack

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Correct. You deserve idiots. But you do not deserve theft.

[EMcWilliams]

I am a former McDonalds manager...and let me start off with WOAH BABY. There was more theft there than most bank robberies. I am guilty. I never charged any friends, ever. I gave food to the employees all the time. The ones I caught stealing, I just told them to ask next time. All and all I probably took like 2 grand worth of food in 4 years.

[jakethebake]

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Pay people enough and you should be able to trust them.

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This is hopelessly naive for any restaurant/bar owner.

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Or any other occupation. He clearly hasn't paid much attention to recent white-collar crime scandals. Dirtbagfs are dirtbags. More money doesn't change that.

[mackthefork]

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If they're paying employees too much, yes they go broke.

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Most of the businesses I've seen that have gone broke, failed becasue the owners took out too much money and left themselves under-capitalised. I guess if people will work for $6 then thats what they will get, personally I wouldn't expect them to be the cream of the crop or particularly honest though.

Mack

[jakethebake]

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FYP

[jakethebake]

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Most of the businesses I've seen that have gone broke, failed becasue the owners took out too much money and left themselves under-capitalised. I guess if people will work for $6 then thats what they will get, personally I wouldn't expect them to be the cream of the crop or particularly honest though.

Mack

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In general, the kind of jobs that pay $6/hour don't require the "cream of the crop". That's the point.

[mlh2e]

I had 2 friends that always worked the Sunday shift at Subway while we were in highschool, and it was great. They would have 4-6 people come in and make lunches for the entire week. Then we would bake in the freezer. This lasted about 18 months. Good times.

[mackthefork]

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Correct. You deserve idiots. But you do not deserve theft.

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No I suppose you don't. How many times have you broken the law though? I would guess most people have at some point, though I agree stealing is fairly serious especially when someone has trusted you with employment.

Mack

[mackthefork]

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Pay people enough and you should be able to trust them.

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This is hopelessly naive for any restaurant/bar owner.

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Or any other occupation. He clearly hasn't paid much attention to recent white-collar crime scandals. Dirtbagfs are dirtbags. More money doesn't change that.

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I have trust from my employers, I could easily steal money from them, but I never would. I expected most people would act similarly, sounds like most of you could be trusted to be honest without having every moment on camera.

Mack

[mackthefork]

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Pay people and you should be able to trust them.

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FYP

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Agreed. Are you on 17,000 yet?

Mack

[jakethebake]

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No I suppose you don't. How many times have you broken the law though? I would guess most people have at some point, though I agree stealing is fairly serious especially when someone has trusted you with employment.

Mack

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I do not consider breaking the law to be immoral. The legislature does not define morality for me.

[jakethebake]

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Pay people and you should be able to trust them.

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FYP

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Agreed. Are you on 17,000 yet?

Mack

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HaHaHa it took me a second to know what you were talking about. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

...sounds like most of you could be trusted to be honest without having every moment on camera.

this is where you're wrong and it's not even close.

[STLantny]

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Correct. You deserve idiots. But you do not deserve theft.

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No I suppose you don't. How many times have you broken the law though? I would guess most people have at some point, though I agree stealing is fairly serious especially when someone has trusted you with employment.

Mack

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Ive broken the law alot, like a ton, some laws are inane and really should not be laws (sportsbetting, pokergames, weed). Would I ever steal from an employer, no. Am I a hypocrite, nah, I dont think so.

[STLantny]

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Pay people enough and you should be able to trust them.

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This is hopelessly naive for any restaurant/bar owner.

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Or any other occupation. He clearly hasn't paid much attention to recent white-collar crime scandals. Dirtbagfs are dirtbags. More money doesn't change that.

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I have trust from my employers, I could easily steal money from them, but I never would. I expected most people would act similarly, sounds like most of you could be trusted to be honest without having every moment on camera.

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Even the people you think you can trust the most, sometimes dikc you over. Should I be able to trust them, I should hope so, but when its my money involved I want safegaurds.

[mackthefork]

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No I suppose you don't. How many times have you broken the law though? I would guess most people have at some point, though I agree stealing is fairly serious especially when someone has trusted you with employment.

Mack

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I do not consider breaking the law to be immoral. The legislature does not define morality for me.

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Well no to me neither, I don't even know how I do define morality, some laws are silly, but if you break them you are a criminal nonetheless. I have broken the law plenty of times, I used to take windfalls when I was a kid, heh we lived on them sometimes.

Mack

[STLantny]

Whats a windfall?

[Edge34]

Back in HS, 3 of my friends all worked at the same gas station "franchise", that will remain nameless. Almost every time, two of them would be working together, and this store only had two people work at any given time. For a while, it was basic stuff, like if one of us went to get gas, when we went in to pay for it, we'd grab a bottle of pop, a candy bar, whatever.

Well, one day these two geniuses decided to step it up to the next level. Or like 4 levels up, I'm not entirely sure. When we'd have parties, they would basically fill up a cardboard box with things like Red Bulls, chips, pop, basically ripped the place off for way more money than I felt really comfortable with. It was fun while it lasted, nobody ever got caught in like the 3 times we did this. Not saying it was the smartest thing ever, and certainly not defending the fact that we probably took $500 worth of stuff from that place in our "CARE packages", but it was what it was.

[mackthefork]

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Even the people you think you can trust the most, sometimes dikc you over. Should I be able to trust them, I should hope so, but when its my money involved I want safegaurds.

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I'll tell you what I do.

I calculate my own wages.
I bank all the cash.
I pay all the bills on the computer.
I even do the transfer for of my own salary to my bank, and confirm it.
I know every intimate financial detail of my directors.

No one checks my work (we have an audit annually but just the usual tests), if they want to check for the last 4 years now, they can if they like, there is not a single penny unaccounted for. I think being trustworthy is a characteristic that people should be proud of, I simply wouldn't work for a person who didn't trust me, or had cameras pointing at me all the time. People spend a lot of time at work, and I think it should be more than simply an exchange of labour for money.

Mack

[mackthefork]

An apple that fell out of a tree.

Mack

you pat yourself on the back often?

[STLantny]

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Even the people you think you can trust the most, sometimes dikc you over. Should I be able to trust them, I should hope so, but when its my money involved I want safegaurds.

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I'll tell you what I do.

I calculate my own wages.
I bank all the cash.
I pay all the bills on the computer.
I even do the transfer for of my own salary to my bank, and confirm it.
I know every intimate financial detail of my directors.

No one checks my work (we have an audit annually but just the usual tests), if they want to check for the last 4 years now, they can if they like, there is not a single penny unaccounted for. I think being trustworthy is a characteristic that people should be proud of, I simply wouldn't work for a person who didn't trust me, or had cameras pointing at me all the time. People spend a lot of time at work, and I think it should be more than simply an exchange of labour for money.

Mack

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That is a great perspective, in a perfect world, but sometimes, you have to hire people off the street and yon never know what you are getting. When I open my place up, I plan to only hire, friends, and friends of friends and make sure that I deem them trustworthy, but I will still have safeguards in place.

[mackthefork]

Not really. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif From what I can see most people who are arguing against me here would not steal. Normal people don't steal from their employers.

Mack

[mackthefork]

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True I tend to do that a lot, I accept you don't always get the guy you advertised for.

Mack

[tonypaladino]

If a business owner does not take preventative measures against internal theft, he deserves what he gets.

When I was a cash supervisor, we had adequate POS technology, survailance, and supervision, that if someone ripped us off, I knew it. In 4 years I had a significat amount of money go missing three times. I knew exaclty who it was every time. We fired one kid, one stopped showing up, and one girl we had arrested at her register.

[STLantny]

Its really stupid not to have equipment to stop that stuff. We can design systems that basically, tell you how much was poured, time stamps it (from a camera), cross-references it against a database of everything sold, and tells you what beers your bartender gave out for free/didnt ring up, etc.

[RunDownHouse]

And its that kind of thing that keeps me out of big, corporate sports bars and in the neighborhood pubs.

[jakethebake]

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And its that kind of thing that keeps me out of big, corporate sports bars and in the neighborhood pubs.

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There's nothing wrong with tracking it. But anyone who's run a bar knows repeat business is what keeps you in business. If you don't let your barstaff take care of people, you won't have any.

Speaking of that, my bar screwed me. The 2-for-1 happy hour on draft beer and wells has been changed. Now only Miller Lite is included, not Stell Artois. Bastards! /images/graemlins/mad.gif

[STLantny]

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That doesnt make sense at all. This is all done behind the scenes, your local bar might have all these stopgaurds in place and you would have no idea. Im definetly getting something like this done to my bar, if I ever get things off the ground. And I will then be able to gauge, who its alright to get a few free rounds too, and who you dont, but I wont have to be at the bar 25 hours a day.

[jakethebake]

I once worked in a bar where my boss, the bar manager, was also the other bartender. I was only there about a month when they caught him stealing. He was taking money and putting it off to the side and then adding it to his tips when he got a chance. They had a hidden camera. Apparently they went back through the films and were extrapolating he'd stolen $40k that year. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

edit: (although they weren't really very smart and that was perobably off by a lot.)

[RunDownHouse]

How about this: if I notice a bar has one of those mechanically-measured pours, where it pours exactly an ounce and no more, then it'll take some very special treatment for me to go back.

Its a slippery-slope argument, but generally management isn't tracking bartenders as an intellectual exercise.

[JordanIB]

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i sued to work at a bagel shop.

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Wow. This must have been a helluva place to work if you would bring suit to work there...

[STLantny]

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How about this: if I notice a bar has one of those mechanically-measured pours, where it pours exactly an ounce and no more, then it'll take some very special treatment for me to go back.

Its a slippery-slope argument, but generally management isn't tracking bartenders as an intellectual exercise.

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Those automatic pourors, I agree are completely lame, and bad for business (unless its a casino etc). There is a line to be drawn. Its not black and white though, I think you have to have enough hands on, and enough technology, and have intimate knowledge of both to be able to make good decisions regarding free drinks/theft/etc.

[KJS]

My friend worked a hospital when I was in college and we did this trick with a can of Nitrous Oxide.

KJS

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paying 6 dollars an hour is a worse crime than stealing.

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I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

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If you can't pay a living wage to staff, then you should go broke

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You are an idiot.

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I know a guy who works at a grocery chain's local warehouse where he picks the orders for the trucks that go to the stores. He wears an apron over his clothes and inside the warehouse it is air-conditioned and refridgerated. So, they don't notice that he is wearing a rope around his neck. Every day he hooks like half a dozen steaks onto the rope underneath his clothes and walks by security that only checks bags. He then tries to sell them on the street outside his apartment. What a goddamn skid.

When I put myself through school I worked as a waiter during the summer at a fancy joint. There were only a few incidents. But one time I remember...I was out all day, didn't eat, customer pissed me off, tray with his beef wellington was on my shoulder bringing it between the kitchen and the dining room. Craned my neck over while walking. CHOMP!

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Not nice. A lot of food servers are arseholes, I think.

I remember once I went to a bar with some friends. Nobody had had anything to drink yet, and everyone was very mellow and friendly. I ordered a black russian to drink, and the waitress comes back and passes out the drinks all around and starts to pass me a drink, but it wasn't a black russian. I ordered a black russian, I said. No you didn't, she said, you ordered this. I told her I had never even heard of that kind of drink before, which was true enough. I had no idea what that drink was and had never heard of it, so there was no possible way I could have ordered it by mistake. Anyway, nothing was amped up, everything was relaxed and pleasant. She then threw the drink right in my face.

Yeah, people who work in bars often have piss poor attitudes and aren't afraid to show it.

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I know a guy who works at a grocery chain's local warehouse where he picks the orders for the trucks that go to the stores. He wears an apron over his clothes and inside the warehouse it is air-conditioned and refridgerated. So, they don't notice that he is wearing a rope around his neck. Every day he hooks like half a dozen steaks onto the rope underneath his clothes and walks by security that only checks bags. He then tries to sell them on the street outside his apartment. What a goddamn skid.

When I put myself through school I worked as a waiter during the summer at a fancy joint. There were only a few incidents. But one time I remember...I was out all day, didn't eat, customer pissed me off, tray with his beef wellington was on my shoulder bringing it between the kitchen and the dining room. Craned my neck over while walking. CHOMP!

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Not nice. A lot of food servers are arseholes, I think.

I remember once I went to a bar with some friends. Nobody had had anything to drink yet, and everyone was very mellow and friendly. I ordered a black russian to drink, and the waitress comes back and passes out the drinks all around and starts to pass me a drink, but it wasn't a black russian. I ordered a black russian, I said. No you didn't, she said, you ordered this. I told her I had never even heard of that kind of drink before, which was true enough. I had no idea what that drink was and had never heard of it, so there was no possible way I could have ordered it by mistake. Anyway, nothing was amped up, everything was relaxed and pleasant. She then threw the drink right in my face.

Yeah, people who work in bars often have piss poor attitudes and aren't afraid to show it.

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woah, what did you do after she threw it in your face?

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Well done, I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

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Voluntarily working for 6$/hr because you are too stupid/lazy/apathetic to get another job is not slavery. You think that someone should get 20$/hr to mess an order at subway, thats ridiculous.

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If you don't like your job, get another one. If you can't, it's because you're not qualified for one. If you're not qualified for one, then you don't deserve one. And if you're a thief, you deserve to a job making license plates.

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The smartest thing to do is to admit realities and deal with them, kind of like teen pregnancy and sex education. People are gonna do certain things, so you operate on that basis instead of wishful thinking, and you'll usually have a better outcome.

It used to be traditional everywhere that you could get a decent meal for every shift you worked at a restaurant. The thing is, you're around all that food all the time, and very few people won't start eating some of it anyway if they're constantly around food and hungry. So by giving your employee a free meal, you're really not spending much money at all, and you keep his goodwill and have a much better chance of keeping him honest. A huge reason people steal is not because they need the money or whatever it is they're stealing; it's because they feel ripped off or underappreciated themselves, and so they turn it around and give right back what they feel is given.

Restaurant work is often hard, high-pressure, grungy, sweaty, incredibly stinky work, and the pay is atrocious, and there's very little of an "up" to move up to, if any. Frankly, it's kind of miserable all around. You've got people completely primed to steal here, badwill waiting to happen, and food everywhere. Why be a prick and fight it? Give them a free meal and they won't feel the depressing irony of feeling like they're starving in a restaurant full of food that they probably couldn't afford to eat at.

It may not seem like it if you're a fanatic or want the world to be something it's not, or all about you and pinching pennies more than it is, but it's a win-win for everyone. Doing just a bit extra for the employees can prevent a ton of them screwing you over hard. Restaurants feed their employees all the time. It's foolish not to.

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Well done, I don't steal but neither do I condone slavery.

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Voluntarily working for 6$/hr because you are too stupid/lazy/apathetic to get another job is not slavery. You think that someone should get 20$/hr to mess an order at subway, thats ridiculous.

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If you don't like your job, get another one. If you can't, it's because you're not qualified for one. If you're not qualified for one, then you don't deserve one. And if you're a thief, you deserve to a job making license plates.

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Fair enough, by the same logic if you don't pay fair wages you deserve idiots and thieves from the bottom of the food chain, and you deserve to have your business go broke. Cuts both ways.

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This is a plain fact and applies to every business. You get what you pay for -- and actually in some cases you're lucky to get even that.

Seriously, though, lots of businesses are staffed almost entirely by people who can't get a job anywhere else, because anyone with any chance or any competence at all would get the hell out of them as soon as they possibly could. The turnover is enormous and the atmosphere awful in lots of workplaces, and that's how they play it. They put nothing into the employee and have no desire to, and they get exactly nothing back, and maybe even some stealing and sabotage in return. It's a very even exchange.

Not every business is like that, but a lot of owners really set themselves up for terrible employee behavior. It's a rare small business owner I've seen that doesn't throw tantrums over nothing that bewilder, anger, or frighten his employees. The truth is, most bosses suck at least as badly as their employees, and the tone of a place always comes from the top down, not the other way around.

It can be one of those vicious circles -- nutty, nasty boss eventually makes even his most sane employees nutty and nasty too, which then finally chases the last sane people out of the business and the thing either runs despite the incompetence of everyone there or collapses. Usually, it collapses. God forbid the original idea was good enough that there's nothing the boss can do to destroy his own enterprise, because then he thinks he's a genius and becomes even more overbearing and self-indulgent.

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If they're paying employees too much, yes they go broke.

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Most of the businesses I've seen that have gone broke, failed becasue the owners took out too much money and left themselves under-capitalised. I guess if people will work for $6 then thats what they will get, personally I wouldn't expect them to be the cream of the crop or particularly honest though.

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Oops, you forgot the first rule of talking about business. You can't admit that there is ever an amount that the owner takes out that is too much for the business to bear. We can talk about an employee sense of entitlement, but an employer's sense of entitlement is off limits.

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And its that kind of thing that keeps me out of big, corporate sports bars and in the neighborhood pubs.

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There's nothing wrong with tracking it. But anyone who's run a bar knows repeat business is what keeps you in business. If you don't let your barstaff take care of people, you won't have any.

Speaking of that, my bar screwed me. The 2-for-1 happy hour on draft beer and wells has been changed. Now only Miller Lite is included, not Stell Artois. Bastards! /images/graemlins/mad.gif

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Miller lite? Yuck. That stuff would be hard to drink even for free.

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I know a guy who works at a grocery chain's local warehouse where he picks the orders for the trucks that go to the stores. He wears an apron over his clothes and inside the warehouse it is air-conditioned and refridgerated. So, they don't notice that he is wearing a rope around his neck. Every day he hooks like half a dozen steaks onto the rope underneath his clothes and walks by security that only checks bags. He then tries to sell them on the street outside his apartment. What a goddamn skid.

When I put myself through school I worked as a waiter during the summer at a fancy joint. There were only a few incidents. But one time I remember...I was out all day, didn't eat, customer pissed me off, tray with his beef wellington was on my shoulder bringing it between the kitchen and the dining room. Craned my neck over while walking. CHOMP!

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Not nice. A lot of food servers are arseholes, I think.

I remember once I went to a bar with some friends. Nobody had had anything to drink yet, and everyone was very mellow and friendly. I ordered a black russian to drink, and the waitress comes back and passes out the drinks all around and starts to pass me a drink, but it wasn't a black russian. I ordered a black russian, I said. No you didn't, she said, you ordered this. I told her I had never even heard of that kind of drink before, which was true enough. I had no idea what that drink was and had never heard of it, so there was no possible way I could have ordered it by mistake. Anyway, nothing was amped up, everything was relaxed and pleasant. She then threw the drink right in my face.

Yeah, people who work in bars often have piss poor attitudes and aren't afraid to show it.

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woah, what did you do after she threw it in your face?

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All the other nearby bars were suffocatingly crammed and my friends were amazed but still wanted to stay, so I stayed. It was kind of either that or go home, or spend at least an hour finding another place with room in it. I walked up to the bartender and calmly asked to speak to the manager, but they gave me the run-around.

I didn't get an apology from the waitress, but at least I got a nasty smirk out of her and an "Oops!"

It's amazing how easy it is to bump into psychos in L.A. They must grow them hydroponically or something.

Same thing with my friends at Baskin Robbins...funny.

[Pirc Defense]

Remember that long, heated debate 2+2 had about whether online casinos/cardrooms cheat? There were many threads.

Here we have a thread where people are being tempted by a freaking sub sandwich and robbing a store blind.

Think a wide-open 40/80 looks tastier than a sub?

I do.

[rudedog78]

When my father was younger he used to work in high class hotels and preety nice bars and most of the people who worked with him with screwed the place. This was way back in the 70s and what they used to do was take a random order like 2 Bloody Ceasars, then pocket the money but not punch the bill.

Then later on at night when someone else ordered 2 Bloody Ceasars they would just punch it to make it less obvious. The only thing tho, is that he got caught putting water into the bottles of liquor, because the owners used to count the alcohol and compare it to the sales.

After that incident he basicly lost is name in the service industry, good game. I myself work in a restaurant and seriously, my boss is a good friend of mine. I couldnt live with myself if I stole my employer, friend or not.