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odawg09090

09-21-2005, 08:56 AM

I'm a new no-limit player switching across from Limit. I can't fold either of these hands with no reads can I?
I had a semi-read on the villian in hand 1 as a solid player. In hand 2, I think his short stackedness made me call. Anyone play it differently?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP ($190.30)
Hero ($109.30)
Button ($58.05)
SB ($99)
BB ($128.20)
UTG ($263.57)

Preflop: Hero is CO with J/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG raises to $5, 1 fold, Hero calls $5, Button calls $5, 2 folds.

Flop: ($16.50) 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/club.gif (3 players)
UTG bets $14, Hero calls $14, Button folds.

Turn: ($44.50) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
UTG bets $35, Hero raises to 90.34 and is all in, UTG calls $55.30.

River: ($222.10) 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $222.10

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

MP ($189.40)
Hero ($97.50)
Button ($33.50)
SB ($89.50)
BB ($72.10)
UTG ($282.22)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 9/images/graemlins/club.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
2 folds, Hero raises to $3, 2 folds, BB calls $2.

Flop: ($6.50) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $6, BB calls $6.

Turn: ($18.50) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $15, BB raises to 63.10 and is all in, Hero calls $48.10.

River: ($81.60) 8/images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)

Final Pot: $81.60

unlucky513

09-21-2005, 09:07 AM

hand 1 - i fold the turn. what hand does a solid player raise from UTG to 5xBB that you beat?

hand 2 - excluding preflop, it looks standard. i don't think i'd normally raise here, but if i did it'd be to $4 or $5

wall_st

09-21-2005, 09:21 AM

Hand 1, you probably need to pop the flop to find out where you are at and even that is a pretty crappy line here. Everything about this hand screams AA-QQ, and I am going to assume that is what you got shown. Was anyone else opening for 5 pre flop ? This is usually the sign of one of the hands I just mentioned. You are probably doomed to lose money on this hand if you move in on the turn. It's pretty rare to see someone bet the pot twice without one of the aforementioned hands at this level, or something even stronger.

Hand 2 is a little weird. 810 and 58 are the only hands that make straights here. His all in scares me, it is probably not a bluff. Your best hope is that he has AK-A10. , some players do play those hands in this matter (this is a very poor way to play that hand though). That said I am not too afraid to get my money in here as you are not drawing dead against anything. I do not usually open with A9o, but that might be wrong.

TheWorstPlayer

09-21-2005, 09:42 AM

Hand 1 I prefer call, call, call if you think you're ahead. But I usually fold the turn here. He has to put you on a nine or better when you call the flop since it is pretty dry. The fact that he's still betting pretty solidly means that he can probably beat a nine. If he can beat a nine, he can probably beat JJ. If you had a read that he was LAGgy, though, then I prefer call, call, call because he could have raised trash that is drawing very slim and you want him to keep betting it.

Hand 2 is fine. But if you folded the turn, I really don't think you'd be wrong. I can almost guarantee you that it is a set or a straight here because people do NOT check/raise all in on the turn without a serious monster. But very hard to fold top two there. He could have AK or a worse two pair, I guess...

djoyce003

09-21-2005, 09:49 AM

raise the flop in hand 1 and fold to further agression.

Hand 2 seems ok to me...you are up against a worse two pair a lot of the time here.

yvesaint

09-21-2005, 09:54 AM

Hand 1, pop the flop, barring that, fold the turn. You're only beating a hyper-aggro AK here. 99-TT have you beat.

jjacky

09-21-2005, 10:00 AM

fold the turn in hand 1.

the rest is fine imo.

many people made a point to raise the flop in hand 1. i disagree. you have position and the most powerfull way to use it is a call.

hand 2: i think your hand is strong enough to open. on the turn you may face a staight or set, but there is a good enough chance that he has lower 2 pair or a big ace. i like the call.

vulturesrow

09-21-2005, 10:10 AM

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you have position and the most powerfull way to use it is a call.

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This makes absolutely no sense. Care to expound ?

troymclur

09-21-2005, 10:19 AM

Hand1: If you're going to push on a blank turn, you shoudl instead pop the flop up to 45 after his re-raise to see where you're at. It seems as though he had you killed with an overpair.

Hand2: standard all the way down.

jjacky

09-21-2005, 10:21 AM

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you have position and the most powerfull way to use it is a call.

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This makes absolutely no sense. Care to expound ?

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i think the typical opponent will bet again on the turn if he gets called and has a very big overpair but check if he has 2 high cards or a lowish PP.
that means i can confidently fold the turn if he bets again and bet him out the pot if he checks.

troymclur

09-21-2005, 10:23 AM

Unless the villan is completely crazy, the turn does nothing for him. 10/8 or 5/8 calling a 3 buck pf raise? ANd what kind of player calls pocket sixes when seeing all overs on the flop and a potted raise?

jjacky

09-21-2005, 10:33 AM

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Unless the villan is completely crazy, the turn does nothing for him. 10/8 or 5/8 calling a 3 buck pf raise? ANd what kind of player calls pocket sixes when seeing all overs on the flop and a potted raise?

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he gets 2:1 on his money and hero was in a steal position. i would not be very surprised to see T8s. 66 is very unlikely, that's for sure, but another set (usually 7s) is certainly a possibility.

troymclur

09-21-2005, 10:45 AM

i can dig it. 10 8 is still unlikely, as the pf call would be questionable and the flop call would be insane.

jjacky

09-21-2005, 10:49 AM

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i can dig it. 10 8 is still unlikely, as the pf call would be questionable and the flop call would be insane.

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the flop call with an OESD would be insane? why is that? (i agree with preflop though - questionable but definitely possible)