KK PF laydowns

[Hoopster81]

Wow, bad night. I think it could have been worse though:


1. UTG is 23/2 over 77 hands, UTG+1 is 100/18 in 11 hands

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Button ($40.35)
Hero ($44.75)
BB ($65.72)
UTG ($51.46)
UTG+1 ($35.65)
UTG+2 ($82.45)
MP1 ($57)
MP2 ($45)
MP3 ($14.15)
CO ($50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. Hero posts a blind of $0.25. CO posts a blind of $0.50.
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $2</font>, UTG+1 calls $2, <font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero (poster) raises to $7.75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG raises to $14</font>, UTG+1 calls $33.65 (All-In), Hero folds


2. BB is 19/3 over 300 hands

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Hero ($49.25)
CO ($51.20)
Button ($140.37)
SB ($48.50)
BB ($77.35)
UTG ($11.75)
UTG+1 ($49.25)
UTG+2 ($49.75)
MP1 ($49.05)
MP2 ($86.15)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, K/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of $0.25.
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">UTG+1 raises to $2</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $6</font>, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">BB raises to $9.5</font>, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $4 (for set value).

Flop: ($22.25) 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB calls $67.35 (All-In), Hero folds.

3. I thought there was another one but can't find it.

[kurto]

Some advocate never laying down KK. But I don't agree. Assuming equal stacks, at SSNL, its pretty easy to 'spot the aces' with the preflop raising. I'm willing to say that, unless someone is a known maniac, at SSL the 3bet is aces 90% of the time.

Obviously, you have to take into account player reads (which you have done considering the tightness of the players).

On a related note: I saw a hand tonight... I saw 1 player raise PF, another player reraise and a 3rd player go all in. EVERYONE at the table knew it was aces against kings. And we knew the All In Player had the Aces. A king fell on the turn and we knew Kings had just beat the aces.

I think your folds were fairly reasonable conidering that you were up against rocks.

[trumpman84]

The first one I can't see being up against anything but aces, but the 2nd one, I could see QQ or maybe even JJ being played like this from a bad player

[Malachii]

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The first one I can't see being up against anything but aces, but the 2nd one, I could see QQ or maybe even JJ being played like this from a bad player

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Yes, this is my impression as well... with his #s he's clearly not a "bad" player, but perhaps he overvalues pocket pairs?

[fuzzbox]

I recall folding in a situation similar to Hand 1, I was *sure* that some1 had AA.

They both ended up all-in and the hand played out. The guy who limped after a limper and then pushed after a raise and a reraise had ATo, and the other guy had 99.

I felt dirty.