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newhizzle

09-20-2005, 11:02 PM

villian is 53/27/5.7 after 15 hands(not much but i think it gets the point across)

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hero posts blind in CO

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif.
1 folds, UTG+1 calls, 4 folds, Hero raises, 3 folds, UTG+1 calls.

Flop: (5.33 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 raises, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.67 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero bets, UTG+1 calls.

River: (6.67 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (2 players)
UTG+1 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 6.67 BB.

bigalt

09-20-2005, 11:28 PM

Unless you got some specific reads from those 15 hands I don't think the numbers are going to tell you anything here.

I'm guessing he's got a king although I don't really get the check-raise/check play, so I'm going to go ahead and take a free look at my 4-ish outs.

sy_or_bust

09-20-2005, 11:52 PM

Looks like he has a PP, and not a king. I'd value bet the river.

TheHammer24

09-21-2005, 12:55 AM

I'm confused. 15 hands isn't much, but like you said, I think it gets the point across. After he C/R the flop you're probably folding the turn, but he checked.

What do you think about checking behind on the turn in hopes of getting him to bluff with worse hands on the river than he'll call with on the turn?

newhizzle

09-21-2005, 01:11 AM

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thats probly a good line, i was just thinking he might have an under pair that hed pay off with, but decided to take the showdown at thr river

Solid_p

09-21-2005, 03:07 AM

Check the turn with the intention of calling a river bet. You might still have several outs and a turn check can induce him to bluff the river.

@bsolute_luck

09-21-2005, 06:29 AM

need reads for this play. i've come across this move a couple times. sorta a modified "OOP free card" move. it's the goofiest thing. really you should be 3-betting that flop. don't worry, if he has a pocket pair, he's paying you off.

i DON'T like checking behind on the turn because typically with this move, once their "bluff" doesn't work, they'll just check/call down, so you're missing bets by not betting this turn.

jason_t

09-21-2005, 06:32 AM

Bet. The. River.

newhizzle

09-21-2005, 12:23 PM

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i dont like that here, because with the third ace a king is very likely to raise me

jason_t

09-21-2005, 05:31 PM

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i dont like that here, because with the third ace a king is very likely to raise me

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Then you fold.

newhizzle

09-21-2005, 06:16 PM

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i dont like that here, because with the third ace a king is very likely to raise me

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Then you fold.

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jason_t

09-21-2005, 06:31 PM

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i dont like that here, because with the third ace a king is very likely to raise me

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Then you fold.

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Are you intentionally being dumb?

gh9801

09-21-2005, 06:34 PM

hobbsmann

09-21-2005, 06:38 PM

newhizzle

09-21-2005, 06:42 PM

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i dont like that here, because with the third ace a king is very likely to raise me

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Then you fold.

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Are you intentionally being dumb?

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against an opponent this aggressive i may have to pay him off when he raises, so i think checking is better, since it is likely the we are behind, i actually like the hammers line here the best, because he may have been trying to c/r the turn again, and checking behind there will almost certainly induce a bet on the river, and there are not many free cards i a worried about

edit: i dont have many hands on him, but ive seen some ill [censored] from opponents with these kinds of stats

jason_t

09-21-2005, 06:55 PM

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against an opponent this aggressive i may have to pay him off when he raises, so i think checking is better, since it is likely the we are behind, i actually like the hammers line here the best, because he may have been trying to c/r the turn again, and checking behind there will almost certainly induce a bet on the river, and there are not many free cards i a worried about

edit: i dont have many hands on him, but ive seen some ill [censored] from opponents with these kinds of stats

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You're hand is good here too often. You're missing too much value by not betting this river.

You have 15 hands on him, his stats have barely had a chance to converge. If you're really that worried about a check/raise by a worse hand, then you bet/call, but letting this river check through is a crime against humanity and was outlawed at the last Geneva Convention.

newhizzle

09-21-2005, 06:56 PM

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against an opponent this aggressive i may have to pay him off when he raises, so i think checking is better, since it is likely the we are behind, i actually like the hammers line here the best, because he may have been trying to c/r the turn again, and checking behind there will almost certainly induce a bet on the river, and there are not many free cards i a worried about

edit: i dont have many hands on him, but ive seen some ill [censored] from opponents with these kinds of stats

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You're hand is good here too often. You're missing too much value by not betting this river.

You have 15 hands on him, his stats have barely had a chance to converge. If you're really that worried about a check/raise by a worse hand, then you bet/call, but letting this river check through is a crime against humanity and was outlawed at the last Geneva Convention.

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sorry i was not aware of this law, i will bet next time, please dont call the jakes on me