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09-20-2005, 04:22 PM

Any thoughts on this hand? Should I have called down?
Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 4 folds, Hero calls, 1 folds, Button calls, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (5.00 SB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, Button raises, SB folds, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.50 BB) K/images/graemlins/spade.gif (2 players)
Hero checks, Button bets, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 5.50 BB.

In this hand my question is simple. Its VERY likley that I am ahead at this point, so do I bet the flop for value or should I check and wait for the turn and force people to fold with the bigger betsize? (As the pot is very big)

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 folds, SB calls, 1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.00 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB.

TwoShedsJackson

09-20-2005, 04:44 PM

Absent a read on the villain on hand 1 I'd probably fold the turn too. If he's aggressive I might call down.

Hand 2, no, just bet the flop, you have the best hand and betting out gets more money in the pot while you're ahead. You want to check this through then see a King or an Ace on the turn with three opponents?

09-20-2005, 05:00 PM

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In this hand my question is simple. Its VERY likley that I am ahead at this point, so do I bet the flop for value or should I check and wait for the turn and force people to fold with the bigger betsize? (As the pot is very big)

Party Poker 0.50/1.00 Hold'em (10 handed) link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is CO with Q/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, UTG+2 calls, 2 folds, MP3 calls, Hero raises, 1 folds, SB calls, 1 folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (9.00 SB) 2/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB calls, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
SB checks, UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero bets, SB folds, UTG+2 calls, MP3 calls.

River: (9.50 BB) A/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
UTG+2 checks, MP3 checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB.

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Ed Miller actually made a post in this link saying you pretty much should never be checking behind on the flop. You are giving up too much value and you have no idea if someone is going to even bet on the turn or where the bet will come from.

Link (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Number=3029088&page=&view=&s b=5&o=)

09-20-2005, 05:12 PM

Good catch, he has the exact same question that I have, he even recalls the same axamples from the book. At the time I played the hand I thought "get the money in while your ahead!" but later when reviewing the hand I recalled the example on page 163 in SSHE. Thats why I didnt know if my play were correct.

Going to read that whole thread now. Thanks!

Edit: I've read the threads and it's pretty clear that my flop bet were correct.

DCWildcat

09-20-2005, 05:53 PM

Bet the turn in hand 1

hand 2 is sexy

edit: didn't see that the dude raised the flop in hand 1. a fold is ok.