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Bodhi
09-20-2005, 02:52 AM
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

The CO is tight-aggressive (my notes say she readily raises oc's on the flop), the button is a fish.

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with J/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, CO calls, Button calls, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (12 SB) 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(6 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO raises</font>, Button calls, SB folds, BB folds, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">CO caps</font>, Button calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (12.50 BB) J/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, CO calls, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

River: (18.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
Hero checks, CO checks, <font color="#CC3333">Button bets</font>, Hero calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 21.50 BB

Now I think I should have just bet out on the river and called a raise. Thoughts? I get the skirt award for this, don't I... /images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Smokey98
09-20-2005, 02:58 AM
The scare card on the turn and the fact that the fish bet out would probably slow me down. Just a little.
thesharpie
09-20-2005, 03:06 AM
I don't see her checking anything she raised on the turn, and I think she usually has you beat here.
Bodhi
09-20-2005, 03:07 AM
reread the action. You have the CO and Button confused.
thesharpie
09-20-2005, 03:15 AM
Oops. A passive fish or a donk fish? I 3 bet the turn against the latter.
rmarotti
09-20-2005, 03:15 AM
Button's hand is like 99% flush draw. I think you should've c/folded the river.
Justin A
09-20-2005, 03:18 AM
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Button's hand is like 99% flush draw. I think you should've c/folded the river.

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Gross. There's tons of hands button can have that was just a flop slowplay.

Putting in another raise anywhere isn't worth it though.
rmarotti
09-20-2005, 03:23 AM
Button is described as a fish, which i take to mean LPP. I dont think he raises here with two pair. An underset maybe, and yer not supposed to fold a set for one bet yadda yadda, so I guess the play is alright. Raising more, as you said, is definitely dumb. I'm going to bed since I'm either misreading flop action or getting called Gross by good players lately.
Evan
09-20-2005, 03:32 AM
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Button's hand is like 99% flush draw. I think you should've c/folded the river.

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Wow dude, both posts I've seen from you re: sets on the river tonight have been weird.
@bsolute_luck
09-20-2005, 07:40 AM
i don't get the turn bet after CO caps the flop. why not c/r or check call if Button raises?
Solid_p
09-20-2005, 12:16 PM
I play it the same way. Putting in another raise on the turn would be foolish, wait and see if you fill up on the river. Folding anywhere is out of the question. Nice hand.
Bodhi
09-20-2005, 02:13 PM
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i don't get the turn bet after CO caps the flop. why not c/r or check call if Button raises?

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Good question. I simply bet out because:
1) I'm going to cry if it gets checked through.
2) I wouldn't mind the CO raising again so I can 3-bet.
3) I try to minimize trickery in my play when the pot is multiway and some of my opponents suck.

Good? Bad?
ErrantNight
09-20-2005, 02:26 PM
sure! there's a raise on the turn, a bet or raise on the river... but I'm not sure I'd take either of them. of your options, I'd likely 3-bet the turn if I was looking for more action, as you've got outs if you are indeed behind, but I don't see any reason to raise the river. Maybe lead the river...
paperboyNC
09-20-2005, 02:49 PM
I'd play it the same way. Your top set looks pretty, but you are behind often enough to check/call the river.
09-20-2005, 03:46 PM
Co had a straight w/ KQ right. Looks like fishy button had a flush.

CO did not raise the turn b/c she feared flush. Calling the turn is okay ( I would have c/r the turn but I'm a bit lag), but I'm not happy w/ trips on this board at the river.
09-20-2005, 03:48 PM
I don't mind your line at all.

What do you do if you hit the river? c/r? bet?