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newhizzle
09-19-2005, 03:17 AM
Party Poker 3.00/6.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(10 handed)</font> link (http://www.darksun.lunarpages.com/poker/)

Preflop: Hero is CO with K/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, K/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, BB calls, MP1 calls, MP3 calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 5/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif, Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, Hero calls, Button calls.

Turn: (7.67 BB) 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, MP1 checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, BB calls, MP1 folds, MP3 folds.

River: (14.67 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, Button folds, BB calls.

Final Pot: 16.67 BB.
nervous
09-19-2005, 03:17 AM
I'd just raise the flop.
jason_t
09-19-2005, 03:18 AM
I raise this flop for value and then i jam the rest of the way.
Petteri
09-19-2005, 03:19 AM
Do not slowplay. You have good hand. Raise flop.
newhizzle
09-19-2005, 03:19 AM
with all of the draws out there in a pot this big a raise will not protect your hand, plus my equity goes up on a safe turn
jason_t
09-19-2005, 03:22 AM
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with all of the draws out there in a pot this big a raise will not protect your hand, plus my equity goes up on a safe turn

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Your hand is nowhere near as vulnerable as, say, TT on a low low low draw heavy flop. Raise the flop while all these fools are willing to pay you. If the BB is betting a draw, who is going to bet the turn for you?
09-19-2005, 03:23 AM
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with all of the draws out there in a pot this big a raise will not protect your hand,

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The bet was from BB, so if he were to lead the flop again you would not be able to protect your hand on the turn.

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plus my equity goes up on a safe turn

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You already have a monstrous equity edge, raise the flop for value.
Pharity
09-19-2005, 03:24 AM
You should definitely raise here. You should only wait for a safe turn card (in this spot) when a lot of turn cards might cripple your hand (which makes you want to fold), and there are no such cards here. So raise for value.
newhizzle
09-19-2005, 03:30 AM
yeah, i guess this was not the best spot for this play, im currently re-reading SSH and just got through the protecting your hand section, but i do see the differences with this and where it would be correct now
09-19-2005, 03:32 AM
Yeah this is more similar to the AA hand from SSHE I think.