2 Hands from Party $109 - How's my line?

Can you guys check my line on these two hands, which occured back-to-back? I didn't have any strong reads on any of the players in the hand with me.

Thanks,

BM

Edit: I guess my main question with the first hand is whether or not you all would fold after the double all-in.

For the second hand, assuming you felt very strongly that you were looking at something other than a pair bigger than 44, would you call the all-in?

1st Hand:

NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Level:3 Blinds(25/50)
Table Table 14660 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: N ( $905 )
Seat 6: K ( $1215 )
Seat 10: G ( $3622 )
Seat 5: P ( $1009 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $1685 )
Seat 9: D ( $699 )
Seat 7: R ( $865 )
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Ac ]
P folds.
K folds.
R raises [150].
D calls [150].
G folds.
N folds.
Hero calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Qd, Js ]
Hero bets [350].
R is all-In [715]
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D is all-In [549]
Hero calls [365].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]

2nd hand:

NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Level:4 Blinds(50/100)
Table Table 14660 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: N ( $880 )
Seat 6: K ( $1215 )
Seat 10: G ( $3622 )
Seat 5: P ( $1009 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $820 )
Seat 7: R ( $2454 )
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 4h 4c ]
K folds.
R folds.
G folds.
G: gh
Hero: nh
N folds.
Hero calls [50].
P is all-In [909]
Hero is all-In [720]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Ah, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]

[ace_in_the_hole]

Well in the first hand I could fold after that second guy came all-in. Against the lone original all-in I would probably have to call.


In the second hand I think that you can fold this because you at best a slight favorite. If you wanna play it then YOU need to push and not call.

In the first hand, I figured I'd only need to win around 1/7.5 times or so to make it right. The flop WAS very ugly, though, and no flush draws on the board should have told me that one of the two all-ins had me beat.

Ace, would you have pushed the 44 into the BB? I get fairly skiddish about the all-in move with small PP in the SB, as it has bitten me in the ass many times. Would you ever consider folding the 44 here?

[lastchance]

Hand 1: I check the flop and expect a CB so I can come over the top. Leading out folds hands you're ahead of, and you're getting raised by hand you're beat by. With TPTK, just do the check-all-in and expect to be ahead. And yeah, your pot odds are too good.

Hand 2: Your complete sucks. Never complete in the SB with <10x BB. Either push or fold, and when you have a monster such as 44, you need to push it.

[ace_in_the_hole]

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Ace, would you have pushed the 44 into the BB? I get fairly skiddish about the all-in move with small PP in the SB, as it has bitten me in the ass many times. Would you ever consider folding the 44 here?

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I would probably complete hoping to see a favorable flop, then fold if raises out of the BB (although that's probably a leak of my own /images/graemlins/smile.gif ). I don't hate folding or pushing here either. What I do notl ike is completing then calling an all-in.
I'm sure most would advocate pushing prelfop into the BB.

Well, the purpose of my lead bet on the flop was to find out where I stood with that dangerous flop. That was a mistake, though, as I wasn't able to lay it down anyway, as we saw.

You're right about the call on the 44. It was stupid, but I bit rattled by the previous hand. In my bout of anxiety, I forgot the golden push rule.

Yup, seems like the pre-flop push would have been best. Oh well.

Here are the results, in case you're curious. Lousy deal...

Hand 1:

NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Level:3 Blinds(25/50)
Table Table 14660 (Real Money)
Seat 10 is the button
Total number of players : 7
Seat 2: N ( $905 )
Seat 6: K ( $1215 )
Seat 10: G ( $3622 )
Seat 5: P ( $1009 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $1685 )
Seat 9: D ( $699 )
Seat 7: R ( $865 )
Level:3
Blinds(25/50)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ Qh Ac ]
P folds.
K folds.
R raises [150].
D calls [150].
G folds.
N folds.
Hero calls [100].
** Dealing Flop ** [ 9c, Qd, Js ]
Hero bets [350].
R is all-In [715]
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D is all-In [549]
Hero calls [365].
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8c ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
Hero shows [ Qh, Ac ] a pair of queens.
R shows [ 9s, 9h ] three of a kind, nines.
D shows [ Qc, Kh ] a pair of queens.
R wins 332 chips from side pot #1 with three of a kind, nines.
R wins 2122 chips from the main pot with three of a kind, nines.

NL Texas Hold'em $100 Buy-in + $9 Entry Fee Level:4 Blinds(50/100)
Table Table 14660 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 6
Seat 2: N ( $880 )
Seat 6: K ( $1215 )
Seat 10: G ( $3622 )
Seat 5: P ( $1009 )
Seat 4: Hero ( $820 )
Seat 7: R ( $2454 )
Level:4
Blinds(50/100)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 4h 4c ]
K folds.
R folds.
G folds.
G: gh
Hero: nh
N folds.
Hero calls [50].
P is all-In [909]
Hero is all-In [720]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 7c, Ah, Jc ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ 8h ]
** Dealing River ** [ 5d ]
Hero shows [ 4h, 4c ] a pair of fours.
P shows [ Ts, Ad ] a pair of aces.
P wins 189 chips from side pot #1 with a pair of aces.
P wins 1640 chips from the main pot with a pair of aces.

[bigt439]

Just wanted to emphasize how important it is that you push when the action gets to you in hand 2. You are giving up a lot of EV by folding against any BB calling range. Limp calling the allin is pretty bad. But there really isn't an alternative to pushing IMO.

I play it the same in hand 1 and call the allin because of the ridiculous odds.