What would be your move?

[chok1]

I was BB in a $140 buy-in stt. This was only the second hand. The tourney starts with 50-100 blinds and chips start at 1500. Everyone was even stacked except for blinds and 1 guy in middle. utg+1 raises 4x BB everyone folds to CO who pushes all-in. Button and SB fold to me. I look down and see 10h10d. What would be your move?

Fold, and it's not close. With any kind of reasonable opponents, TT is not a good hand here.

[DyessMan89]

Fold.

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Fold, and it's not close. With any kind of reasonable opponents, TT is not a good hand here.

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If you think about the blinds and the chip stacks, Do you think the people would be playing a little looser from the beginning, knowing they already are a little short stacked? What would be the possible hands im up against in this situation?

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What would be the possible hands im up against in this situation?

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What do *you* think you are up against?

[chok1]

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What would be the possible hands im up against in this situation?

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What do *you* think you are up against?

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I thought the utg+1 was possibly ak,aq,jj,qq. CO was more than likely ak or qq. I did find out what i was up against after i folded.

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What would be the possible hands im up against in this situation?

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What do *you* think you are up against?

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I thought the utg+1 was possibly ak,aq,jj,qq. CO was more than likely ak or qq. I did find out what i was up against after i folded.

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Up against sane players, you are, at the very least, looking at a race here.

Howeverm, with such a goofy blind stucture, you might very well be up against anything, because it looks like everyone will be gambling in the next level anyway.

Where did you play this?

[chok1]

it was a live tourney in miami,fl at the hard rock casino. All of there STT have that structure.

[kyro]

Fold. And what an awful structure. With people who aren't complete morons, you'd be better off finding someone to take prop bets on a flipped coin.

If the blinds were 5/10 it is a fold..

But original poster says blinds were 50/100 with chipstacks at 1500... That puts everyone's M at 10, and it will soon be closer to 5 or 4. I think perhaps this was a mistype, but if this was indeed the case, I would call. Only 1 in 17 hands is a ppair. you've likely got AKo and AQs out against, and that looks pretty good to me:

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Td Th 585730 42.73 779779 56.89 5245 0.38 0.429
As Kd 439802 32.08 911591 66.50 19361 1.41 0.327
Ah Qh 325861 23.77 1025532 74.82 19361 1.41 0.244
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Again, if the SB + BB were not 10% of everyone's stack, you would fold.

[applejuicekid]

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If the blinds were 5/10 it is a fold..

But original poster says blinds were 50/100 with chipstacks at 1500... That puts everyone's M at 10, and it will soon be closer to 5 or 4. I think perhaps this was a mistype, but if this was indeed the case, I would call. Only 1 in 17 hands is a ppair. you've likely got AKo and AQs out against, and that looks pretty good to me:

cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Td Th 585730 42.73 779779 56.89 5245 0.38 0.429
As Kd 439802 32.08 911591 66.50 19361 1.41 0.327
Ah Qh 325861 23.77 1025532 74.82 19361 1.41 0.244
twodimes.net

Again, if the SB + BB were not 10% of everyone's stack, you would fold.

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This is so silly. Of course every situation can become a call if you set up the most perfect scenerio for it. Both opponents have AK and AQ? That's awfully optimistic. This is a fold. What does M have to do with anything?

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What does M have to do with anything?

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Quite a bit. Considering everyone is already in the Orange zone at the first level of blinds.

I think the situation I presented is the most likely. You aren't likely to see four overcards, because you would not see all-ins from a KQ or KJ here.

Each opponent has a 6% chance to be holding a pocket pair. Full table you're ~50% to see another ppair out with you. 60% of those pairs are lower than yours.. Finding two high cards both to the ace is so much more probable.

Yes they've probably got good hands, and yes you may be beat. But let me emphasize that at this blind level a 3xBB raise is going to be dedicating more than a third of your chips to the pot. This tournament is going for less than thirty hands. Pocket Tens is a blessing. If you are waiting for anything better in the next ten minutes (and remember, you will likely have to commit to the pot with a raise of at least 50% of your stack PREFLOP,) you are not going to find a more solid opportunity.

When you have Ax and you are going all in with your last 700 after a few times around the BB, and you end up knocked out by a pair of 2s, those pocket tens will seem like a pretty sweet missed deal.

[citanul]

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What does M have to do with anything?

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Quite a bit. Considering everyone is already in the Orange zone at the first level of blinds.

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does this mean i'm going to have to memorize all this crap in order to continue posting and reading here?

citanul

[tjh]

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What does M have to do with anything?

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Quite a bit. Considering everyone is already in the Orange zone at the first level of blinds.

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does this mean i'm going to have to memorize all this crap in order to continue posting and reading here?

citanul

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Yes...
We all must memorize the Harrington M and Q (?) ratios and the whole inflection point stuff...

HOH is a great book but the terminology does not seem to be the standard terminology on this forum. Once Citanul memorizes this [censored] I am sure that he will flame anyone who does not use it.

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tjh