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suited_ace
09-18-2005, 06:01 PM
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:15856468 Level:1 Blinds(10/15) - Sunday, September 18, 17:48:20 EDT 2005
Table Table 13981 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: multieyes11 ( $1130 )
Seat 2: OnlyWeirdo ( $785 )
Seat 3: suited_ace ( $800 )
Seat 4: timesmes ( $800 )
Seat 5: tonynguyen ( $785 )
Seat 6: chauncy11111 ( $800 )
Seat 7: sopinkaJ ( $785 )
Seat 8: welder39 ( $500 )
Seat 9: UF_hoser ( $825 )
Seat 10: fefe650 ( $790 )
Trny:15856468 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to suited_ace [ Qc Qd ]
timesmes folds.
tonynguyen calls [15].
chauncy11111 calls [15].
sopinkaJ folds.
welder39 calls [15].
UF_hoser folds.
fefe650 folds.
multieyes11 raises [125].
OnlyWeirdo folds.
suited_ace ?

1C5
09-18-2005, 06:29 PM
hmmm, tough one.

I probably call and push any flop pretty much that doesn't have an A or K.

applejuicekid
09-18-2005, 06:34 PM
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hmmm, tough one.

I probably call and push any flop pretty much that doesn't have an A or K.

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I think this is an easy push.

I think you are throwing away a lot of EV by calling. You have the best hand here, push before overcards flop and he lays down his JJ or you incorrectly fold when a K comes.

nortonmalc
09-18-2005, 06:35 PM
You can reraise without pushing. Case in point...

PokerStars Game #2606882400: Tournament #12731329, Hold'em No Limit - Level I (10/20) - 2005/09/18 - 17:52:39 (ET)
Table '12731329 1' Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: eddieboy (1260 in chips)
Seat 2: EGBrehm (1490 in chips)
Seat 3: doublebee (1480 in chips)
Seat 4: BIGGABIGGA (1420 in chips)
Seat 5: johnnyv5000 (1500 in chips)
Seat 6: tofflus (1500 in chips)
Seat 7: USMC 0341 (1930 in chips)
Seat 8: mmm555 (1500 in chips)
Seat 9: nortonmalc (1420 in chips)
doublebee: posts small blind 10
BIGGABIGGA: posts big blind 20
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to nortonmalc [Qs Qh]
johnnyv5000: folds
tofflus: folds
USMC 0341: calls 20
mmm555: folds
nortonmalc: raises 80 to 100
eddieboy: folds
EGBrehm: raises 80 to 180
doublebee: calls 170
BIGGABIGGA: calls 160
USMC 0341: folds
nortonmalc: raises 320 to 500
EGBrehm: calls 320
doublebee: folds
BIGGABIGGA: calls 320
*** FLOP *** [Ad 9d 4c]
BIGGABIGGA: bets 920 and is all-in
nortonmalc: folds
EGBrehm: calls 920
USMC 0341 said, "ca"
USMC 0341 said, "ou oh"
*** TURN *** [Ad 9d 4c] [9h]
*** RIVER *** [Ad 9d 4c 9h] [Kh]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
BIGGABIGGA: shows [4d 4s] (a full house, Fours full of Nines)
EGBrehm: shows [Jc Jh] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
USMC 0341 said, "nh"
BIGGABIGGA collected 3540 from pot

09-18-2005, 06:35 PM
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hmmm, tough one.

I probably call and push any flop pretty much that doesn't have an A or K.

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jeffraider
09-18-2005, 07:39 PM
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I think this is an easy push.

I think you are throwing away a lot of EV by calling. You have the best hand here, push before overcards flop and he lays down his JJ or you incorrectly fold when a K comes.

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My thoughts exactly. Lock in those weaker hands before the flop, they'll be calling in a $22. Pushing here is something I do 100% of the time, and the amount of AQ/JJ you see here is phenomonal. Hell, the amount of A6/44 you see here is great too lol.

chipolino
09-18-2005, 07:55 PM
I just don't know and I hate it /images/graemlins/confused.gif
We need some of the expert players to shine on this.

1C5
09-18-2005, 08:19 PM
Pushing works also, I have nothing against doing that.

What do you do with JJ here? Call fold or push?

lastchance
09-18-2005, 08:25 PM
JJ is not QQ. But either way, Calling OOP sucks on a consistent basis.

This is an easy push/fold spot, and pushing with QQ has got to be better at a $22 with only one raise ahead of you.

Newt_Buggs
09-19-2005, 12:14 AM
push

applejuicekid
09-19-2005, 12:18 AM
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Pushing works also, I have nothing against doing that.

What do you do with JJ here? Call fold or push?

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With JJ I would probably push in a $22. Although I know I have folded JJ in very similar situations. I think calling is horrible.

Pete H
09-19-2005, 03:34 AM
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I think this is an easy push.

I think you are throwing away a lot of EV by calling. You have the best hand here most of the time, push before overcards flop and he lays down his JJ or you incorrectly fold when a K comes.

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