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Abagadro
05-05-2003, 01:24 PM
Thought I would bore you to death with my trip.

Arrived Wednesday at the Monte Carlo. First time staying there. It is an alright joint. Rooms are decent, but nothing fancy. Definitely a class down from Belagio or Mandalay Bay (which is where I usually hole up). Sat through 7 hours of conference on how to litigate (ugh!) and then went to the poker room.

Ended up playing 1-4-8-8 at a table with an automatic shuffler. A first for me. I liked the shuffler quite a bit. Sped up the game and even when it had a problem, it was quickly fixed. Started playing around 7:00. Pretty tight game that was short-handed on and off. Flopped quad-4s and couldn't get anyone to play with me despite slow playing it. Discovered I would have won a jackpot (only 78 beans so no biggie) if the pot would have qualified and that I should have "suggested" that someone call my only bet after the flop so it would qualify. Oh well.

Game became quite a bit better later in the evening with a revolving cast of characters, including a very nice fellow in a wheelchair named "Don" who was from California but was apparently a regular as all the room seemed to know him(although he was quite the donater). It was his birthday. Hit the sack around midnight with a decent $106.00 win.

Next day had another 10 hours of conference. Oy. Decided to have a decent dinner and went to Blackstone's, the steak joint in the Monte Carlo, as I was by myself and didn't want to trek anywhere just to sit by myself and chow down. Was decent if not outrageously impressive. Needs a much better red-wine by the glass menu considering it is a steak joint in a casino.

Went to play in the same room. Only game going was a 2-4 at the same table as I played the night before. Problem was that everyone was playing nearly everything to the river at these low stakes. This is usually fine with me, but one guy hit three consecutive rivers against my very good hands (sets, straights, etc.), including hitting a striaght flush for a very nice $500.00 jackpot. Decided it wasn't my night and left down $62.

Friday night decided to head up to the Mandalay Bay as I had played there before. Sat down at the 4/8 1/2 kill game. One guy was running over the table with a humongous stack. There were about 4 twenty somethings who claimed they were on the tail end of a 22 hour stretch or some rediculous thing. Unfortunately I believe the sky-high-stack had already ground them down as they left soon after I showed up. Fortunately other wayward fish arrived. It was a very aggressive table, so I stayed out of the action most of the time. Had a great hand where I snapped off a 3-bet baby flush with my KQs flush. Was a kill pot too.

Here is where my rant begins. There are a couple of very marginal players at the table. Then one guy comes and seems to be a local (not positive, but somewhat sure). He proceeds to berate these players for their play, calling them "crazy" and whatnot. He succeeeds in driving these people off the table. Here is a tip: BE NICE TO FISH!!!! They are, in essence, your customers. They are there to have a good time, not be berated and chastised. They like to play and don't feel bad when they lose if they are having fun and getting some free drinks. When you criticize their play, this makes them feel stupid. People do not like to feel stupid! They go dump whats left of their rack at the craps table instead. Guy absolutely drove me nuts. Played K9 against my slick and hit a 9 on the river (after paying both a flop and turn bet from me)for two pair, then proceed to lecture me on my play. Admittedly I did not raise it pre-flop, but that was because the table had turned incredibly tight. Perhaps questionable, but definitely not insane under the conditions. Plus, he called two bets when he said he knew he needed help so he had to have put me on a decent sized K. I figure his was the worse play, but didn't say anything.

However, I had had enough of his act. He had drivin off people who were not very good players and the table had turned incredibly tight and tough. I don't know if this is a tactic to rattle people to get them off their game of it this guy was just a jackass. Regardless, I got up an walked and he yakked at me the whole time I was racking. Anyways, left MB up $103.00.

Went back the Monte Carlo. After a significant wait I made it back onto a 1-4-8-8 table. I've decided I like this structure as it gives not so good people enough leeway to tell you a lot about their hands based on bets. It was a fun table for a while with this old fossil who was making funny cracks about just about anything. Strangely, for no apparent reason he got really angry when someone (extremely mildly) needled him back a bit (he was needling EVERYONE, but it was funny). He went a bit nuts and said he would "get his gun and you would be gone" to the guy. Floor was called and he was amazingly allowed to stay. <shrug>

Table was very good. Had one guy sit down. Played about 6 hands total, was dealt AA, JJ which held up and AJ with a J high board. He then proceeds to give me crap about "not knowing how to play" because of a particular hand I played (which I won) despite me have a rather large mound of chips in front of me. He then left and I marveled (to myself) at his superior play in playing monster cards to good flops. /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif Anyways, played until about 3 a.m. and cashed out a nice $195 up.

I was scheduled to stay Saturday night too, but changed my flight and came back early. Here is another mini-rant. I have decided I absolutely despise cigarette smoke. After 3 days I just couldn't take it any more. I suppose I could have played over at the Bellagio, but the smoke still would have drifted in and I was so sensitive to it by that point that I just couldn't deal with it. I used to smoke and quit, so maybe I am hyper-sensitive, but I just couldn't stand to be around it any more. So I left Vegas early.

Total for trip-up approx. $350, but with a bit of a bad taste in my mouth because of some of the jackasses that you encounter in this game. This from someone who was spending the days with TRIAL LAWYERS! /forums/images/icons/shocked.gif

TJSWAN
05-05-2003, 01:50 PM
Go down in this post to about page three and read the post titled: Monte Carlo who is this guy ??

I think you found him.

PM me if your lawerly journeys bring you to S.F. Bay Area.
Many 2+2'ers around. /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

hbk
05-05-2003, 02:00 PM
Looks like you had the pleasure of playing with " the guy ".
I posted the thread "who is this guy", it seems it is impossible for him to be barred. /forums/images/icons/confused.gif

HDPM
05-05-2003, 02:05 PM
Good report. Sounds like you were in a MC 4-8 game wth Howard Borroughs. He posted about the guy in the wheelchair getting abused. Did you meet Howard? Maybe you were there at different times. I agree w/ your review of Blackstones. Often convenient and pretty good. Not the best steak in town by any means, but it has always been decent. As for trial lawyers, as much as people don't want to admit it, lawyers are often better company than other groups. Scary but true. /forums/images/icons/tongue.gif (I saw something I missed this year, but may go next year. It is a conference for those with "public defender attitudes." They say if you have to ask you don't have one. Since that means a bunch of people who drink a lot and say f*** the government, the conference is probably fun. It is cheap. It is deductible. It is in Las Vegas. I will be there next March when my CLE's go back to zero. See you there. It will be better than the ERISA conference I went to w/ HDPW. ERISA law attracts some uptight boring dudes, at least if they are on the defense or corporate side of things. A lot more boring than prosecutor's conferences even - those can be surprisingly good. Trial lawyer conferences can be pretty good. One person recognized my wife from one they had at a casino while this guy was working there on some radio remote or something. Apparently some of the girls had a few and made an impression trying to win their contest.) /forums/images/icons/smirk.gif

Abagadro
05-05-2003, 03:57 PM
When I say fossil, I'm not joking. He had to be at least 70, although he was also sucking back Budweisers, chain-smoked and raised nearly every pot he played. Maybe it was aging-rockster-hair-guy's dad?

One great move was when the down dealer came around to empty the ashtray. Just about when she is going to take it, he grabs and in one quick motion dumps it (full of butts) right on the floor next to his chair. Was amazing.

Howard Burroughs
05-06-2003, 05:55 PM
Great post.

As HDPM said, I have a post about Don over in the B&M forum. A dealer freaked out on him after you left the game. Too bad. He was real cool and nobody deserves that.


I like the shuffle machines too. To the best of my knowledge, The Orleans, Boulder Station, Texas Station, Mirage, Bellagio & Monte Carlo all have them on some of their games(ranging from one table to all flop game tables depending on the room). I would imagine Sunset & Palace have them also but I have not played there in a while to confirm.


The "guy" that some of the posters refer to as abusive at M.C...........

At first I thought it was Sergio(sp). He kind of fits the profile of the other guy's post.
He also is always in the room any time I have played at the M.C.

He was in the "after the seminar game" with Dynasty, MajorKong, HDPM, Clarkmeister, Mrs Burroughs & myself. He was in the game that you and I were in (though he might of got there right after you left).

Heck, he's been in every 4-8 hold'em game I've ever played at the Monte Carlo. I kept a good eye on him the last two times I played there and am now convinced that it is not him. He is too nice it turns out, but fits the profile in every other way.




I feel your pain as far as the smoke goes. Good thing you were not at Arizona Charlie's. It makes the El Cortez seem like the Bellagio as far as smoke goes. I know some chain smokers who will not even play there. They say it's just too smokey for them to endure.



My wife ran into Major Kong in the pit the night we played cards with you. Too bad we did not know you were Abagadro, we could have introduced you to the famous 2+2 Major.



Sorry a few bad apples and a wave of smoke put a damper on your poker playing. Your next trip will be more enjoyable I'm sure.


Best of Luck

Howard