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Ryan11

09-16-2005, 12:32 PM

MP3: 23/10/2/188
MP2: 11/8/11/208

Is there any point in calling this river? Any capping flop hands he could have had have made it?

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Preflop: Hero is BB with 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif. CO posts a blind of $5.
4 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO (poster) checks, 1 fold, SB completes, Hero checks.

Flop: (5 SB) 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 4/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif (5 players)
SB checks, Hero checks, MP2 bets, MP3 raises, CO folds, SB folds, Hero 3-bets, MP2 calls, MP3 caps, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (8.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/spade.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 checks.

River: (8.50 BB) 4/images/graemlins/heart.gif (3 players)
Hero checks, MP2 checks, MP3 bets, Hero??

krimson

09-16-2005, 12:37 PM

Bet the flop, bet the turn. I would call the river since the pot is pretty big and MP3 might just be overplaying a middle PP. He doesn't bet the turn when checked to so I have doubts on the set, so wouldn't want to fold here in fear of a FH.

09-16-2005, 01:06 PM

I think you really need to bet this flop. You really don't want this getting checked through, and you have no idea where a bet might come from on this ugly board. If it gets checked around to the CO who bets then you are going to face the limpers with 2 cold if you c/r. And if a bet never comes, giving a free card to flush draws or gutshots stinks.

I would also bet the turn. If I get raised after betting this turn I can muck my hand against a made flush.

After how the hand played out I'm not sure what MP3 capped the flop with that you still beat. You would have heard about a made flush by now, so a set seems most likely to me. MP3 certainly could have checked a set on the turn afraid of getting c/r by a flush. I wonder could MP3 have made that flop cap with 77 or 88? I don't know. I wouldn't.

09-16-2005, 01:25 PM

Very interesting hand. I would just call, if MP2 raises and MP3 re-raises, I would probably fold. Even though there are flush and fh posibilities seeing how the hand developed it looks like you have the best hand.

TheHammer24

09-16-2005, 01:36 PM

I don't know if checking the flop is bad. You don't want to bet out and take the pot down right there, plus the c/r is good.

Definitely call the river IMO, the pot is pretty big and the turn was checked though.

I would also bet the turn, the one stuck with you and the capper raises then I would get worried, but I don't think flop capper here caps with a flush draw.

Bodhi

09-16-2005, 01:46 PM

Horrible! Bet the turn fod god's sake. Bet the river too.

jedi

09-16-2005, 03:28 PM

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I don't know if checking the flop is bad. You don't want to bet out and take the pot down right there, plus the c/r is good.

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People will be calling with overcards on this board. NOT betting risks free cards which is pretty horrible on this board. Your hand is easily counterfeited too.

09-16-2005, 03:32 PM

Bet the turn. Call the river.

thejameser

09-16-2005, 03:50 PM

hero calls. your straight is good enough times here, though a set is possible on the flop given the action as is a flush. MP2, is that 1.1 or 11? surely it is 1.1. anyway i would call and fold to a raise. and yes, bet out on that flop you cannot give a free card. and bet out on the turn as you can't give a single spade a free card. played too passively.

09-16-2005, 04:19 PM

With two spades on the board, I am betting the flop.