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Karak567
09-16-2005, 03:48 AM
This game might be NL200, but by the time I joined it was deep stacked and played like a 2/4 (blinds were 1/2).

Average raise was 12 dollars (at the minimum, it was common to see someone open raise to 15) and the game was very loose.

I have an extremely tight image at this table.

I will remember the hands to the best of my ability.

Hand #1 3 limpers to me in the SB, i have AsKc with about 350 behind, I pop it to 20, limper #1 (massively LAG player - we will call him LAGman) calls and has me covered, all the others fold.

Pot is around 50 dollars, flop comes 2hKh4d. I lead out 40 dollars, LAGman calls.

Turn is 8s. Pot is around 130, I lead out 60, lagman goes into the tank, then calls.

River is 9h. I check, lagman goes into the tank, then bets 100. What do I do then? Also, how is my line on the rest of the hand?




Hand #2: AdKd in the SB, UTG + 2 (semi-loose player, but not bad) raises to 12, button (same read as utg+2) calls, I call (should I have raised here?)

Flop comes Ks8d3h. I check (I was 99% sure UTG + 2 was going to bet), UTG+2 bets out 20, button insta-raises to 60, I smooth call, so does UTG+2.

Turn is a blank, board is now rainbow. I check (should I have bet out here?), UTG+2 checks, button thinks, then checks.

River another blank, I check (should I have bet out here?), UTG+2 checks, button checks. I won't tell results yet.





Hand #3: UTG+1 (who is drunk and LAG) raises to 15, UTG+3 calls, button calls, I call in the SB with TT.

Flop is J83 rainbow. UTG+ 1 leads out for 15, +3 and button fold, pot is now around 75, I call the 15 (easy call, right?)

turn is a blank, board is rainbow, UTG + 1 leads out for 20, pot is around 110 now, I call (easy call, right?)

River another blank, I think for a while (almost wanted to bluff into him, but he was loose), I check, he goes into the tank then checks behind.

how was my line here?

There were a lot more interesting hands but I will leave it at these for now. Thanks for any help! Sorry for the long post

09-16-2005, 04:06 AM
I'm no NL master, but here are some of my thoughts:

Hand #1, I would bet closer to the pot on the turn; 100 sounds about right. This makes the river play easier.

Hand #2, I would raise AKs from the SB for value. Just lead most flops and release if you get played back at when you miss.

Hand #3, does the LAG always make such weak bets? You are most likely ahead here, and I might check raise the turn but then you are in trouble if he comes back over the top, so I don't think calling is bad.

AZK
09-16-2005, 11:17 AM
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played like a 2/4 (blinds were 1/2).

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lol

Karak567
09-16-2005, 01:29 PM
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played like a 2/4 (blinds were 1/2).

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lol

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TheWorstPlayer
09-16-2005, 01:41 PM
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played like a 2/4 (blinds were 1/2).

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lol

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You know, it's like how the FW 5/5 plays like a 25/50.

yvesaint
09-16-2005, 01:50 PM
You're not even 200 BB ... this isn't even semi-deep stacked .....

Hand 1 bet more on the turn
Hand 2 looks fine
Hand 3 looks fine

Karak567
09-16-2005, 01:51 PM
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You're not even 200 BB ... this isn't even semi-deep stacked .....

Hand 1 bet more on the turn
Hand 2 looks fine
Hand 3 looks fine

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I wasn't at 200 BB, others, however, were. I had joined the game late.

Thanks for the tips guys. I am not the best NL ring player.

09-16-2005, 01:56 PM
On hand one, I pot it on the turn. He played his hand like he was on a draw. I think he made his flush on the river. Calling is very read-dependent.

Hand 2, I think I raise on the turn to isolate or take the pot down right there. You may be against a set of 8s here, but I definitely don't want to go against two opponents with only TPTK.

Hand 3 is fine. You can only beat a busted draw or a bluff, so keeping the pot small is good. I would have made those calls too. You were getting 5 to 1 on the flop and on the turn. I wouldn't bet the river, because you definitely can't stand up to a raise.

HoldEmKillah
09-16-2005, 01:56 PM
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played like a 2/4 (blinds were 1/2).

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lol

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You know, it's like how the FW 5/5 plays like a 25/50.

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FW plays more like a 10/20 but with 5 players having stacks of 10k to 60k.

edge
09-16-2005, 02:50 PM
Ok, I'm a huge nit, but this NL200/NL1000/NL2000 way of mentioning the stakes really bugs me. I realize that Party labels their levels like this, but Party is dumb. Some games don't use a 100 BB buy-in structure, so calling a 2/4 200 max game NL400 is stupid and wrong. Likewise, it appears that this 1/2 game had a max buy-in of more than 200. Therefore, it makes no sense to call it NL200. And then there's the great fun of trying to figure out if someone means 50/100 blinds or 50/100 buy-in when they talk about bankroll or winrates. Isn't it easier to just let everyone know what the blinds are?