WCOOP #13

[TheRempel]

Fourth qualifier this week, a couple near misses, and I finally cracked it. Who else is in?

PokerStars Tournament #12550928, Pot Limit Omaha
Super Satellite
Buy-In: $10.00/$1.00
79 players
Total Prize Pool: $2460.00
Target Tournament #10017959 Buy-In: $530.00
4 tickets to the target tournament

Tournament started - 2005/09/15 - 22:20:00 (ET)

Dear TheRempel,

You finished the tournament in 1st place.
You qualified to play in Tournament #10017959 and are automatically registered for it.
See Tournament #10017959 Lobby for further details.

Luckily I had a good sweat going:

[22:39] TheRempel: SPADE
[22:39] beset7: SPADE
[22:40] TheRempel: SPADE
[22:40] beset7: SPADE
[22:40] beset7: SPADE
[22:40] TheRempel: SPADE
[22:40] beset7: YES
[22:40] TheRempel: YAHHHH
[22:40] TheRempel: YAHHH
[22:40] TheRempel: WE IN IT
[22:40] beset7: BOOOYAMFER

[autobet]

Good Luck.

[TheRempel]

Thanks, much appreciated.

[KDawgCometh]

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Good Luck.

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[bugstud]

I qual'ed, unreg'ed and will buyin around 10am I think.

gl

[Acesover8s]

I've qualified twice now, but if I play I'll have to sit out the first 90 minutes, so I probably will not play.

Good luck to you and anyone else from this forum who plays.

[beset7]

I'm in also. Good luck to all. Just stay up all night bugstud it's easier.

I made a stab at it. Got all my chips in 5 times where I was a favourite or 40+% in a three-way pot and lost 4 out of 5. What can you do?

This is the hand that crippled me:

PokerStars (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)
Tournament #12552977, Omaha Pot Limit - Level IX (300/600)

Seat 1: SB (4140 in chips)
Seat 2: Hero (4450 in chips)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 6/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/club.gif. SB posts a blind of 300.
<font color="#666666">6 folds</font>, SB (poster) completes, Hero checks.

Flop: 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif, T/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls 2340 (All-In).

Turn: 5/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

SB had: 5 /images/graemlins/spade.gif K /images/graemlins/spade.gif 3 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif 4 /images/graemlins/diamond.gif (a straight, Deuce to Six)

SB collected 8280 from pot

http://twodimes.net/h/?z=1222820
pokenum -o qh ts 6s 2c - 5s ks 3d 4d -- 2h 6h tc
Omaha Hi: 820 enumerated boards containing Tc 6h 2h
cards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EV
Ts 6s 2c Qh 531 64.76 289 35.24 0 0.00 0.648
Ks 5s 4d 3d 289 35.24 531 64.76 0 0.00 0.352


If I had won i'd have been in the top 10 with 40 left (top 5 get seats and next 10 get refunds), instead I had $310 and a $300 small blind on the next hand. Even then I was a 52/48 fave and was getting 4 to 1 odds.

Interesting side note: I watched one guy put in 9 rebuys in the first 14 hands before he finally hit some hands and found himself with a big stack. He then added an add-on at the break thus spending $101 in an attempt to beat out 90 people for 5 spots worth $530. He only lasted 5 minutes longer than I did (27th). Does anyone else think this is nuts?

Also, is it accepted add-on wisdom to buy a 1500 add-on when you already have a 15000+ stack? This seems like a total waste to me and yet I see it all the time.

[bugstud]

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I'm in also. Good luck to all. Just stay up all night bugstud it's easier.

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I think drinking at the bellagio was a bad idea...

t minus 6 hours 20 minutes and counting...

[beset7]

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Interesting side note: I watched one guy put in 9 rebuys in the first 14 hands before he finally hit some hands and found himself with a big stack. He then added an add-on at the break thus spending $101 in an attempt to beat out 90 people for 5 spots worth $530. He only lasted 5 minutes longer than I did (27th). Does anyone else think this is nuts?

Also, is it accepted add-on wisdom to buy a 1500 add-on when you already have a 15000+ stack? This seems like a total waste to me and yet I see it all the time.

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I always take the add-on. A chip is a chip is a chip. no? I'm not a big tourney theorist but it seems like you are at a a fairly big disadvantage if you don't add-on, i guess unless its a turbo where the stacks to blind ratio is already super high and another 1500 isn't going to change much.

I guess if you can get a seat spending 200 on rebuy tourneys then its +ev. BUt ya, I usually set a limit on the number of rebuys I'll do and its less then 10 /images/graemlins/grin.gif

[beset7]

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I'm in also. Good luck to all. Just stay up all night bugstud it's easier.

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I think drinking at the bellagio was a bad idea...

t minus 6 hours 20 minutes and counting...

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Sleep is the cousin of death.

GAMBOOOL.

[Filip]

I am gonna play, gonna be a blast. The only thing i fear is the bubble /images/graemlins/smile.gif

Woot! I got in through the 2nd to last MTT satellite. I spent like $160 total.

Good luck all.

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unless its a turbo where the stacks to blind ratio is already super high and another 1500 isn't going to change much.

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This logic is severely flawed. Just because the blinds go up faster, doesn't mean the chips are worth less.

[Bartholow]

Just qualified in the last MTT. Think my time would hav been better spent elsewhere but... GL everyone!

[beset7]

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unless its a turbo where the stacks to blind ratio is already super high and another 1500 isn't going to change much.

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This logic is severely flawed. Just because the blinds go up faster, doesn't mean the chips are worth less.

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But don't tournament chips devaluate as the tournament progresses? In a turbo its already late stage when the add-on comes up. Like I said, I'm a cash game player and have spent zero time thinking about MTTs on a deep level. On a gut level it makes sense to me to always take the add-on. But edumacate me why that is.

[beset7]

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I am gonna play, gonna be a blast. The only thing i fear is the bubble /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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you must LOVE the bubble. Thats where stacks that can go the distance are born.

[Filip]

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I am gonna play, gonna be a blast. The only thing i fear is the bubble /images/graemlins/smile.gif

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you must LOVE the bubble. Thats where stacks that can go the distance are born.

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So true, i will not go meekly into the night if it comes to that tonight.

GL all that are playing

[Spellmen]

Stacks looking good so far Beset

[beset7]

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Stacks looking good so far Beset

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Yeah early double up. got it all-in with the nut straight vs. middle set on the turn and dodge a board pair.

[dogsballs]

Damn. Goofed badly and am not in it, tho' it was the one I really wanted to play..

Got up early and sat around with the dog reading my novel, thinking it was way early. Then realise the tourneys been going already for half an hour already without me registering.

prolly just saved masel' 530 bucks tho'

gl to all

[Filip]

Kinda tough table for me, got the chipleader and Paul Wolfe.

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But don't tournament chips devaluate as the tournament progresses?

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Chips devalue as your stack gets larger in relation to the other players.

If anything, add-ons are more valuable when the blinds are larger. If you basically have to go all-in or fold preflop, then stack size is very important, because there is less skill involved. There's less skill because there's only one decision to make: whether or not to move in, and whether or not to call an opponents all-in bet.

Edit: I just busted out in 678th, so I must be a tournament strategy expert. /images/graemlins/tongue.gif

[beset7]

look at this shitty turn. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Wasn't too happy to see the underfull anyways but [censored].

PokerStars Game #2589869217: Tournament #10017959, Omaha Pot Limit - Level II (15/30) - 2005/09/16 - 15:39:12 (ET)
Table '10017959 16' Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Axorm (1945 in chips)
Seat 2: Craickhead (1760 in chips)
Seat 3: polly1 (4930 in chips)
Seat 4: Lenny (3220 in chips)
Seat 5: yellowhat (3210 in chips)
Seat 6: beset7 (5105 in chips)
Seat 7: prestameco (3760 in chips)
Seat 8: Jamesdean13 (2360 in chips)
Seat 9: danube (2070 in chips)
Craickhead: posts small blind 15
polly1: posts big blind 30
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to beset7 [Js 7c 7d As]
Lenny: folds
yellowhat: folds
beset7 said, "ever"
beset7: calls 30
prestameco: calls 30
Jamesdean13: folds
danube: calls 30
Axorm: calls 30
Craickhead: calls 15
polly1: checks
*** FLOP *** [7h 8c 8d]
Craickhead: checks
polly1: checks
beset7: bets 120
prestameco: folds
danube: folds
Axorm: folds
Craickhead: folds
polly1: calls 120
*** TURN *** [7h 8c 8d] [8s]
polly1: bets 120
beset7: folds
polly1 collected 420 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 420 | Rake 0
Board [7h 8c 8d 8s]
Seat 1: Axorm (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 2: Craickhead (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 3: polly1 (big blind) collected (420)
Seat 4: Lenny folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: yellowhat folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: beset7 folded on the Turn
Seat 7: prestameco folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Jamesdean13 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: danube folded on the Flop

[bugstud]

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I'm in also. Good luck to all. Just stay up all night bugstud it's easier.

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I think drinking at the bellagio was a bad idea...

t minus 6 hours 20 minutes and counting...

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Sleep is the cousin of death.

GAMBOOOL.

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oops missing the first hour is awesome

[Filip]

Damn i am playing so damn weak tight, suffering from major MonstersUnderTheBed syndrom.

Gonna give myself a couple of bitchslaps and see if it helps.

[bugstud]

well I got in all but 550 chips with the NFD. now back to 1500

[bugstud]

[censored] [censored] [censored] [censored] I HATE POKER [censored] [censored] [censored]


Seat 1: ThePhen0m (3885 in chips)
Seat 2: chibbles (1730 in chips)
Seat 3: melonhead (6027 in chips)
Seat 4: theory (4155 in chips)
Seat 5: redskin1 (3198 in chips)
Seat 6: escazu41 (2562 in chips)
Seat 7: bluefox21 (2755 in chips)
Seat 8: bugstud (3310 in chips)
Seat 9: NailChewer (5110 in chips)
theory: posts small blind 50
redskin1: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to bugstud [Kc 2s 5d Ks]
escazu41: folds
bluefox21: folds
bugstud: calls 100
NailChewer: folds
ThePhen0m: raises 350 to 450
chibbles: folds
melonhead: folds
theory: folds
redskin1: folds
bugstud: calls 350
*** FLOP *** [2d 5s Ts]
bugstud: checks
ThePhen0m: bets 1050
bugstud: raises 1810 to 2860 and is all-in
ThePhen0m: calls 1810
*** TURN *** [2d 5s Ts] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [2d 5s Ts Ac] [Jc]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
bugstud: shows [Kc 2s 5d Ks] (two pair, Fives and Deuces)
ThePhen0m: shows [8h Jd Ah Ad] (three of a kind, Aces)
ThePhen0m collected 6770 from pot

[TheRempel]

I'm with you.

PokerStars Game #2590252179: Tournament #10017959, Omaha Pot Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2005/09/16 - 16:36:36 (ET)
Table '10017959 34' Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Vital_98 (2960 in chips)
Seat 2: thorladen (2755 in chips)
Seat 3: Ringo8888 (1610 in chips)
Seat 4: GoldStrike (2020 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 5: lagalaga (3475 in chips)
Seat 6: marty7 (4660 in chips)
Seat 7: TheRempel (3535 in chips)
Seat 8: wolverine328 (3473 in chips)
Seat 9: 942003 (7100 in chips)
marty7: posts small blind 25
TheRempel: posts big blind 50
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to TheRempel [As Ad 2s Ks]
wolverine328: calls 50
942003: folds
Vital_98: folds
thorladen: raises 150 to 200
Ringo8888: folds
GoldStrike: folds
lagalaga: folds
marty7: folds
TheRempel: calls 150
wolverine328: calls 150
*** FLOP *** [Jd Ac 8c]
TheRempel: checks
wolverine328: bets 150
thorladen: calls 150
TheRempel: raises 1075 to 1225
wolverine328: raises 2048 to 3273 and is all-in
thorladen: folds
TheRempel: calls 2048
*** TURN *** [Jd Ac 8c] [3s]
*** RIVER *** [Jd Ac 8c 3s] [7c]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
TheRempel: shows [As Ad 2s Ks] (three of a kind, Aces)
wolverine328: shows [Jh Jc 4c 3c] (a flush, Ace high)
wolverine328 collected 7321 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7321 | Rake 0
Board [Jd Ac 8c 3s 7c]
Seat 1: Vital_98 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: thorladen folded on the Flop
Seat 3: Ringo8888 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: GoldStrike folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: lagalaga (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: marty7 (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 7: TheRempel (big blind) showed [As Ad 2s Ks] and lost with three of a kind, Aces
Seat 8: wolverine328 showed [Jh Jc 4c 3c] and won (7321) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 9: 942003 folded before Flop (didn't bet)

[bugstud]

yeah all of us have in common a .7-.8 ish flop ev followed by anal violation.

[beset7]

PokerStars (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif. SB posts a blind of 50.
<font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, MP3 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, Button calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP3 folds.

Flop: 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls 1640 (All-In).

Turn: Q/images/graemlins/club.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

River: T/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players, 1 all-in)</font>

Final Pot:

Results in white below: <font color="#FFFFFF">


Outcome: Button wins with godamn nut flush </font>

My ev on the flop? point motherfucking 7

[Filip]

I am out too, strange thing is i am not even mad. I think i suffer from some sort of stress disorder because ive missread my hand 3 times in this tournament. That kinda equals the total number of missreads ive done this year.

Well it was a lesson to learn that i am not capable of playing in levels this much higher than i am used too. So no wsop or wpt for me in the future.

Now i am gonna do a nice 2h drive and hopefully i will get roadrage and blow of some steam.

[beset7]

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Damn i am playing so damn weak tight, suffering from major MonstersUnderTheBed syndrom.

Gonna give myself a couple of bitchslaps and see if it helps.

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I see the bitchslaps didn't work?

[Filip]

Nope, i was playing some kind of apathy poker. I didnt even bet my chips away. I called em away. Oho i can feel the tilt coming, better start driving or i am gonna tilt away 25% of my bankrole like i did last time i got the megatilt.

/OiNk

[schwah]

im still in... we're almost in the money and my stack is a bit below average.. misplayed a hand to go from almost 30k to about 18

[IHateKeithSmart]

For those interested in sweating, 2+2'er colson10 is at the final table, 2nd in chips with 3 left.