"Official" Live at the Bike thread (9/15)

[Kevmath]

Tonight's show is scheduled to be a 200 min/max or 300 min/500 max "Ladies Night" game with pink chips included to winners of pots. Whomever wins the most pink chips will win some sort of prize. Last night's 50/100 NL "Whale Game" went well, and the guest commentators did do a good job overall working with Bart. I do have to wonder if including a $5000 max buyin really helps the game, maybe dropping it to 25/50 would work a bit better. www.liveatthebike.com (http://www.liveatthebike.com) will have all the action starting at 9pm ET thru midnight tonight.

[TomHimself]

the max buyin at 5k is ridiculous

[Kevmath]

I've found out from Bart, it's $40 min/max 1-2 NL Ladies only "tournament" with the pink action chips (paying $100-50-25 for top 3 spots). Guest commentating the first 30 minutes will be Mel Judah

[Kevmath]

I was wondering if this was a cash game.

[BarronVangorToth]

Here is an interesting gimmick to tonight regardless if this is a microlimit women's table...

Do you adjust your strategy knowing if you win the most hands, you get a bonus pot?

Obviously, if the bonus was, I don't know, a million dollars, you'd be correct to play effectively every hand.

With a $40 buy-in and a $100 prize (and 2nd and 3rd prizes as well) is it enough to really alter your strategy...?

The way I see it, the $100 is more of a gravy thing, rather than something that will alter action for those players figuring out their game plan. However, those that aren't necessarily that savvy, they will adjust their game, chasing when they shouldn't, going for that chip.

I imagine that when we get closer to midnight (9pm there) and if two ladies are on the "bubble" give-or-take a chip, then you'll see action (properly) altered.

Regardless, I'll be chiming in throughout the night as I have a house-full of Hungarians and I'm really burned out on family time with my visiting hordes of family.

Barron Vangor Toth
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[Kevmath]

They have done the "cash game tournament" gimmick in the past, with varying levels of buyins. Sometimes it works with people dropping lots of chips for some small prize, while others it was duller than the usual 200 game.

I hope you can chime in often BVT, because I've got a feeling this will be a rather dead thread tonight.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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the max buyin at 5k is ridiculous

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Not necessarily. I only saw the broadcast for a few minutes but I did notice that some of the players rarely play no limit, despite being "whales". The buy-in and structure seemed to be a large version of the fixed buy-in games that have become overwhelmingly popular in LA. These structures make it easier for people not used to deep stack no limit to make the transition.

For example, a few years ago the smalest game had $2 and $3 blinds with a $100 buy-in. Generally you could add $100 if you had $50 and below. The next biggest game had $3 and $5 blinds with a $200 to $300 buy-in. Scaled up re-buy rules apply. Expect 50 to 70 games this size in LA any given evening (among the five major clubs).

Now we have fixed-buy NL games with $5 and $10 blinds and $400 or $500 buy-ins. On a typical night expect about seven games this size in Los Angeles. Note the Bike doesn't have this game (they do have an unrestricted buy game with these or bigger blinds) but they do have a game with two $5 blinds and a spread buy-in of $300 to $500.

Once again, keep in mind these structures make the limit players far more comfortable entering NL and eventually some of the players end up in deep buy games.

~ Rick

[Kevmath]

Rick, the fact that some of the players weren't proficient in NL games was mentioned a couple weeks ago, and I certainly understand that. However, wouldn't having the game be 25/50 work better with a 5k max buyin or do you think making the blinds 50/100 drive out some players who may do well at the higher limit NL games?

[BarronVangorToth]

I think if they REALLY wanted the action, though, the prize should be something like

1st: $500
2nd: $300
3rd: $200

Granted, I know they would "lose" money doing this ... but it would make the broadcast that much better and make for better TV as you would have a better reason to play more hands.

C'mon, Denny, ante up!

Barron Vangor Toth
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[Kevmath]

It seems they're gearing tonight's show towards the female/beginner player, which doesn't make the hardcore viewers too happy.

Speaking of TV, when do the shows air in the UK?

[BarronVangorToth]

If they really want to cross-promote with Poker Blue, why not have 9 random Poker Blue girls here...?

Good TV, plus you'd think they want those girls to have at least a rudimentary knowledge of poker.

They need to be released from the Yoshmobile.

Barron Vangor Toth
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[cwsiggy]

So enlighten me, what were the starting chips again? Is this essentially a sit n'go freezout.

[BarronVangorToth]

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So enlighten me, what were the starting chips again? Is this essentially a sit n'go freezout.

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It's a $40 buy-in table ... they can rebuy as many times as they want -- it's just a regular cash game with, I think, 1/2 blinds.

Every hand you win you get a chip. At the end:

Most chips: 100
2nd: 50
3rd: 25

in additional as a bonus to whatever you win.

Barron Vangor Toth
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[Kevmath]

They've did a show with Pokerblue girls v Playboy Playmates a couple months ago, it finally aired on ESPN Hollywood earlier this week.

35 minutes into the show, and no pink chip count updates, pretty weak.

[Ghazban]

I understand what you're saying but still prefer 100 big blinds at least. Games like the 2/3 with a $100 buyin are ridiculous because there's no postflop play at all until people get deeper. With 100 big blind stacks, the game is still accessible (say 1/2 with a $200 buy in) for those uncomfortable with deepstacked games but there's more play.

[BarronVangorToth]

By the way, in November, where I'll be lucky to get 1 night at the Bike (MAYBE 2) and if I'm there and it's a random ladies' night, I'm going to be an unhappy Barron.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[Ghazban]

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By the way, in November, where I'll be lucky to get 1 night at the Bike (MAYBE 2) and if I'm there and it's a random ladies' night, I'm going to be an unhappy Barron.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

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I bet they'd let you play in drag /images/graemlins/tongue.gif That would ensure an entertaining show.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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Rick, the fact that some of the players weren't proficient in NL games was mentioned a couple weeks ago, and I certainly understand that. However, wouldn't having the game be 25/50 work better with a 5k max buyin or do you think making the blinds 50/100 drive out some players who may do well at the higher limit NL games?

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I checked last nights thread and it was 50/100 blinds with a $500 fixed-buy (didn't check the entire thread but if memory serves they allowed some sort of re-buy if the stack fell below $300 or something similar).

25/50 blinds would work for the "whales" I guess but keep in mind the structure they used is a ten times scaled up version of the game I and many others about town play. I'm shark bait in an unrestricted buy format but love the restricted buy game with $5 and $10 blinds (buy-in is either $400 or $500). When the game has been down for a while the average stack can approach $1500 and it becomes an interesting game.

Anyway, now that traffic has cleared I'm out for the night and plan on making it out to the Bike. I'll either play 20/40 limit holdem (maybe the stud/8) or the restricted buy game with two $5 blinds and a $300 to $500 spread buy. /images/graemlins/grin.gif

Regards,

Rick

[cwsiggy]

Sheesh $40 seems low for 1-2 blinds what do I know. I suppose the pink chip thing will stimulate action.

On a side note - the Stars WCOOP event #12 Stud h/l sees Moneymaker in 3rd, Scott Fischman in 2nd and Fossilman in 15th place with 56 left. First pays 66k. They are in the money now.

[Kevmath]

I've been watching that action, along with the verbal battle between Greg and Tysonduke, before Ty got moved.

[Russ McGinley]

Never thought I'd tune into LATB and see bets of $5, $6, and $9.

[Rick Nebiolo]

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I understand what you're saying but still prefer 100 big blinds at least. Games like the 2/3 with a $100 buyin are ridiculous because there's no postflop play at all until people get deeper. With 100 big blind stacks, the game is still accessible (say 1/2 with a $200 buy in) for those uncomfortable with deepstacked games but there's more play.

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Still hope to make it out the door but one reason you need higher blinds in LA on the small buy-in games is that for legal reasons they take full drop on any flop. Try doing that with one limper and even smaller blinds. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

Also note that the players do get deeper so the game evolves over time yet no NL superstar can sit right down and stack everyone off. IMO this helps keep the games good.

~ Rick

[Kevmath]

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Never thought I'd tune into LATB and see bets of $5, $6, and $9.

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Agreed Russ, since we're being ignored by Bart seemingly until Mel's done it's boring background noise at the moment.

[Eurotrash]

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Never thought I'd tune into LATB and see bets of $5, $6, and $9.

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I actually wish I could watch the preview video now, instead...

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What does Mike Sexton say??? Bingo, bango, bongoooo!

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[Rick Nebiolo]

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Sheesh $40 seems low for 1-2 blinds what do I know. I suppose the pink chip thing will stimulate action.

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I think this is some sort of promotional game.

A couple months ago just for a goof after making a nice score in a $500 game I played a $20 game with two $1 blinds at Hawaiian Gardens. They had about seven games going and I might have been the only player without a college ID card /images/graemlins/grin.gif

~ Rick

[BarronVangorToth]

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I bet they'd let you play in drag /images/graemlins/tongue.gif That would ensure an entertaining show.

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Bart: "And the 6'7" large woman in seat 5 is Barrona..."

Great TV.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[BarronVangorToth]

To further cross-promote this event, they should make this show Survivor-style and 2+2 votes 1 woman off the table every half hour...

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[Eurotrash]

Charity has nothing, that smells kind of ironic or something

[Russ McGinley]

Fossilman eliminated by wired aces.

[cwsiggy]

Come to think of it, I think a baby nl game would be a great time killer to play, though most would not have the action generator of the pink chip thingy.

[Ghazban]

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Still hope to make it out the door but one reason you need higher blinds in LA on the small buy-in games is that for legal reasons they take full drop on any flop. Try doing that with one limper and even smaller blinds. /images/graemlins/frown.gif

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I was not aware of that situation in LA; that explains a lot. Thanks for your insight.

[FlashFunk]

Man this feels like watching celebrity poker on TV (without the celebrities).

zzzzzzzzzzzzz

[cwsiggy]

Moneymaker steamrolling to chip leader with 120k in chip. Next highest stack is 100k 41 left.

[BarronVangorToth]

Am I hearing wrong or does the dealer say "asses" rather than "aces"...?

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[cwsiggy]

Greg is definitely having fun dealing this table.

[Russ McGinley]

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Moneymaker steamrolling to chip leader with 120k in chip. Next highest stack is 100k 41 left.

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Stars is rigged. MM is knocking out everybody.

[Kevmath]

Speaking of Mel, what happened to the board o' poker pro names for players to sign?

[BarronVangorToth]

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Speaking of Mel, what happened to the board o' poker pro names for players to sign?

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I was wondering about that, as I saw something on eBay by the seller

sexyboydenny69696969

with something that sounded like it...

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[cwsiggy]

yes - get Shirley in this game!!!!

[BarronVangorToth]

Shirley will be sportin' a low-cut blouse in order to---

Oh, wait.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[Kevmath]

Cindy needs to have her glasses checked, because she seems to be having a little trouble reading her cards.

[Russ McGinley]

I dunno, some of these women look like they wouldn't mind Shirley in a tight low-cut shirt.

[cwsiggy]

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I dunno, some of these women look like they wouldn't mind Shirley in a tight low-cut shirt.

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nh

[BarronVangorToth]

Tuch, don't listen to Bart -- Mel wazzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[BarronVangorToth]

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I dunno, some of these women look like they wouldn't mind Shirley in a tight low-cut shirt.

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nh

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agreed.

[Kevmath]

Any chance that these Poker Channel interviews will be made available on the site? The Bike made the right decision in having Tuch interview the ladies over Bart.

[Russ McGinley]

(Bart interviewing a hot chick)

Bart: "I desperately want to make love to a schoolboy!"

(Girl runs off)

[BarronVangorToth]

Tuch, check out my post on the first page...

Why do you think a 1st prize of 2.5 buyins is THAT big of a deal...?

Maybe it would adjust your play at the end a little depending on your position, but, it shouldn't be significant enough to cause you to "gamble it up."

Perhaps 5+ buy-ins...

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[tubalkain]

Also, most people who are watching this don't need to be told that the only long-term winner will be the rake.

fake lightning edit: How much do they rake? $5?

[cwsiggy]

I beat the $2-$4 at Borgata for 44 bb in 2 hours once, but then again flopping houses and quads with the table paying them off helps!

[BarronVangorToth]

Bart and Tuch - if you think of the wager as BB, the amount of the blinds are irrelevant... So with 1/2 blinds, why figure out what you're going to make it - it's 3BB, 3.5BB, or 4BB "as normal"...

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[Kevmath]

To combine previous posters:

BVT, you're not a 99/page thread guy? Shame..

I'd think the rake for a $1/2 NL game is 3+1 jackpot (maybe).

[cwsiggy]

Seat 6 and 7 get the looks award at this table soon to be ousted by Shirley.

[Russ McGinley]

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Seat 6 and 7 get the looks award at this table soon to be ousted by Shirley.

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I wonder what would be MORE distracting: a hot woman wearing skimpy clothing or a hideous ogre-woman wearing skimpy clothing.

[BarronVangorToth]

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I wonder what would be MORE distracting: a hot woman wearing skimpy clothing or a hideous ogre-woman wearing skimpy clothing.

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The latter; it's not close.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[BarronVangorToth]

Tuch, with your "connections," we're going to have to talk about my day(s) in November at The Bike so that you make sure it's a non-whale non-women's night...

Guaranteed 3+ hours of hilarity and/or hijinks.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[cwsiggy]

If this was strip poker, they would definitely need a mechanic dealing.

[luckykitty77]

I'm a girl and I really have to say that so far these women have showed some weak plays. I only saw about 3 hands so far, but that Cindy person has made some horrible calls.

[Russ McGinley]

The play on this table is pretty goddamn retarded. PFR to $2 w/QQ? Calling bets 2.5x the pot with second pair? If they were gonna play this bad, they SHOULD change it to strip poker.

[cwsiggy]

I believe they are novices in general. You need to tune in on Wedesday's "whale" game to see real play. Oh and don't mind our chauvinistic comments.

[luckykitty77]

I hope they are novices, because they are confirming the image that women can't play poker. This is horrible to watch! I'd rather watch 30/60 limit.

[Russ McGinley]

Lets wait for Shirley before making the game strip poker shall we.

[tubalkain]

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The play on this table is pretty goddamn retarded. PFR to $2 w/QQ? Calling bets 2.5x the pot with second pair? If they were gonna play this bad, they SHOULD change it to strip poker.

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I think the play would miraculously get better if Tuch went out there and told the ladies that the pink-chip prizes were being tripled.

But could that happen? Who knows?

[Kevmath]

I'm guessing Shirley doesn't want to show up and steamroll this formidable lineup.

[Scott_Baio]

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I'm guessing Shirley doesn't want to show up and steamroll this formidable lineup.

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At first, I was going to say it wouldn't be worth her time at this low of a limit... but watching that last hand, I think Shirley's natural winrate would be something like 30BB/100 hands at this game.

[BarronVangorToth]

In case anyone is wondering, I think there is no doubt that Tuch is high and/or drunk tonight.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[Jive Dadson]

Still hasn't figured out that whole "who"/"that" thing.

[Russ McGinley]

WTF? Did the dinner bell just ring?

[BarronVangorToth]

Mental note to everyone: if you write a book, send a case of comp copies to Tuch 'n' Bart.

Barron Vangor Toth
BarronVangorToth.com

[deepdowntruth]

Yup, I say 'skawlips'.

New Englandahs are wicked awesome.

[Russ McGinley]

Pahk the cah in Hahvahd Yahd.

[Jive Dadson]

Skah-lup is the British pronunciation. Now let's talk about "game" and "geem".

[jakeinsanjose]

Damn it Beavis. What is this crap?

[cwsiggy]

12 left in the Stud h/l event and Moneymaker running away with it.

[Russ McGinley]

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12 left in the Stud h/l event and Moneymaker running away with it.

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Yeah, he's got 3x as much as the next guy on his table. RIGGED!

[jakeinsanjose]

us new englanders also say auuunt instead of ant when referring to your parents sister

[deepdowntruth]

Some of the old timers still say 'plahnt' a tree.

[Jive Dadson]

Hey internet folk, are there any games in Vienna?

[jakeinsanjose]

hey deepdowntruth where are you from?

Is this going to be a regualr game?

[cwsiggy]

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Is this going to be a regualr game?


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We can only hope not.

[Nathan_2]

Moneymaker is deep in the stud hi/lo WCOOP tourney on poker stars

[Kevmath]

Moneymaker and Fischman are at the final table of the WCOOP $530 Stud 8 tournament on Stars

[Nathan_2]

Final table

[cwsiggy]

Money in 2nd, Scott Fischman in 4th. Big swings at this point though.

[jakeinsanjose]

are going to have the winner sign the board??????????

[cwsiggy]

Man, seat 5 cleaned up tonight!