Pot odds needed on flush and straight draws shorthanded

[Tekari]

If you flop 4 to a flush or an open-ended straight draw... what kinda pot odds do you need to call when you are heads up or 3 way on the flop in a short handed game?

is it ever correct to fold a flush or open ended straight draw in a heads up or 3 way game?

[Cyrus]

"If you flop 4 to a flush or an open-ended straight draw... what kinda pot odds do you need to call when you are heads up or 3 way on the flop in a short handed game?"

See Pot odds thread (http://www.twoplustwo.com/forums/showthreaded.php?Cat=&Board=genpok&Number=250349&p age=0&view=expanded&sb=6&o=14).

The number of your opponents enter the picture by considering (a) the possible future betting by all concerned, and (b) the likelihood of specific hands out there. For instance, when any pair can beat your unimproved AK, having 2 opponents left standing instead of 1 is quite a difference.

"Is it ever correct to fold a flush or open ended straight draw in a heads up or 3 way game?"

Sure it is. When you know you're beaten and that a bluff won't work, you should fold no matter what "the pot odds" are ! The "pot odds" collapse before reality. Any time you don't have proper odds to continue betting, and everything has been considered, you should not.

[SittingBull]

short-handed games,draws go way down in value while big cards/pairs go up.
I do know that it is tempting to play these drawing hands in short-handed games,but restrain yourself.
Anyway,I would not play medium drawing hands in a short-handed game.

U are about a 2 to 1 dog to complete your flush or Str. by the river. So if the pot is laying u about 3 to 1 or better on the flop,go ahead and make the call--otherwise,fold.
However,u need to continue to play the turn if u miss.
I'm assuming that your completed hand will win the pot.
Happy pokering,
/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif SittingBull

[Ray Zee]

you are almost always getting enough pot odds to call with those draws. its hard to find spots that you would fold either headup or three way. plus shorthanded many times you will hit a pair that will win the pot for you as well.
and many or most times you will be the aggressor in the hand as you want to be able to have a chance to win it if you dont improve. so its more of a question of how hard you should push those hands as opposed to folding them.

this does not apply to omaha type games.

[Nottom]

For the most part, you will almost always have the odds to draw to a four flush or OE Straight with 3 people as long as you are calling only one bet AND you think your hand will be good if you make it. Be careful of paired boards, and flush boards if you are looking for the straight, since these may turn an otherwise good call into a loser.

[ACPlayer]

In a short handed game you have to be aware that in addition to the flush/straight draw hitting a pair is often a winner. Thus you may well have 15 outs and this draw can usually be pushed.