Good Flop Raise?

Villian is like 28/10, but only over like 20 hands
Can't believe I limped this UTG, table was decent though 36VPIP.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button :#A500AF(villian)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">villian bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>,

[car ramrod]

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table was decent though 36VPIP.

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I still don't limp this utg.

I like the flop raise

[@bsolute_luck]

if you're ballsy enough to limp that UTG, this flop raise is beautiful- you most likely have the best hand with a BDFD and a gutshot in a big pot.

[tiltaholic]

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Villian is like 28/10, but only over like 20 hands
Can't believe I limped this UTG, table was decent though 36VPIP.

Party Poker 1/2 Hold'em (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, J/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+2 calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP2 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button :#A500AF(villian)/ raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls, Hero calls, UTG+2 calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) 8/images/graemlins/heart.gif, 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks, UTG+2 checks, MP2 checks, <font color="#CC3333">villian bets</font>, BB calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>,

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if the table was known to be passive i don't hate the limp...
i like the flop.

[Nilbud]

Would you like the limp if the table was 45-50VPIP?

I'm asking because I limp this all the time at .50/1.

[deception5]

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Would you like the limp if the table was 45-50VPIP?

I'm asking because I limp this all the time at .50/1.

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The VP$IP is only half the story. It's more important how passive the table is. I'd be more likely to limp on a 30% table with a pfr% of 0 than a 50% vp$ip table with a pfr% of 7. J9s does ok if you can see the flop for 1 bet, but if it costs you 3 - there goes your EV for that hand.

[Nilbud]

OK, so passive = limp. What about UTG+2 or MP? If you don't have a read on players left to act, where's the line?

[car ramrod]

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The VP$IP is only half the story. It's more important how passive the table is. I'd be more likely to limp on a 30% table with a pfr% of 0 than a 50% vp$ip table with a pfr% of 7. J9s does ok if you can see the flop for 1 bet, but if it costs you 3 - there goes your EV for that hand.


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very good point

I think limping J9s or low suited aces first in is probably marginal unless in the best of games. I am less likely to limp first in the later it gets, as it is less likely to be multiway. Limping in MP1 or MP2 is ok in a loose game if there is at least one or two limpers in and you expect a couple more + the blinds to come along. Am I way off?

[Nilbud]

Well, that's as good an explaination as I've heard.

I think the games I'm playing in at the moment are that good. I think the mistake I may be making is limping Axs and J9x when I come across the LAGgy tables. Although, it might be worth playing if I know everyone is going to coldcall the raise.

[TomBrooks]

I'd limp that UTG at most .5/1 tables, but I don't think it's a good hand at the typical 1/2 table where you don't get a lot of others coming in.

I like the flop raise. 9s are vulnerable to a lot of overcards. I want to knock out as many others as possible. Having the straight draw and the overcard gives you outs if you are behind or fall behind.

[eviljeff]

this is a standard flop c/r

word.