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pokerjoker
09-15-2005, 02:48 PM
I posted this in a few other forums a few days ago but except AZKs interesting but fairly vague psychology response (I would love if you could elaborate on this AZK) I didnt get too much worthwile imput.

The main issue I have here with the psychology of this play is that when I (and I would imagine most good players) see someone win a few pots in a row my 1st response definately isin't "oh he must always have good hands".

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So I just finished rereading Super System, and it is making mroe and more sense. Here is a passage that doesn't make sense to me though. It seems like Doyle is being supersticious.

(Talking about small suited connectors)

"Normally I wouldnt want to get more than 5% (maybe 10%) of my money involved before the flop with this type of hand. If I get as much as 20% of my money in with that hand....I'd have to be rushing. I wouldn't do it unless I was on a streak."

-is there a logical basis to this or does the WSOP champ actually beleive he has better odds of hitting his hand if he won the last hand?

JKratzer
09-15-2005, 02:53 PM
Doyle definitely comes across as superstitious in his book. I don't think he really has a logical strategic reason for everything in his book. For instance the part on being able to read people's minds based on brain waves or something. I take many parts of his book with a grain of salt, this is one of them.

JKratzer

lapoker17
09-15-2005, 03:00 PM
If he's on a rush, players fear him. If players fear him, he can get away with a lot more. That fear can compensate for the negative ev of getting 20% of his stack in as a dog. It's not so much that he's superstitious here, it's that everyone else is.

09-15-2005, 03:02 PM
I think he means that he has a better chance of winning the pot if he's on a rush. Implicit in this statement that he can win the pot without hitting his hand. Since he is going to make a continuation bet almost every time and people are less likely to play back at a hot player, he can take the pot right there on the flop. If he gets callers he will likely buy himself another opportunity to improve to the winning hand on the turn with his continuation bet.

I'm giving Doyle a lot of credit for things he didn't say in this passage, but the general tone of his chapter kind of follows this line of thinking.

octop
09-15-2005, 03:09 PM
I think it has to do with the fact that other people at the table that think its more likely that he has a big hand. Think about the average idiot in a casino and all the streaky voodoo bullshit they belive in.

Leptyne
09-15-2005, 03:15 PM
Doyle certainly believes in streaks or, as he terms it, "rushes". He says elsewhere in the chapter that whenever he wins a hand he always plays the next hand. Of course, he's not playing online.