A9s UTG: Raises and Gets 3-Bet (1/2)

[TomBrooks]

Party 1/2 (8 handed)

1st Orbit - no reads whatsoever.

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9/images/graemlins/heart.gif, A/images/graemlins/heart.gif. MP2 posts a blind of $1.
<font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, MP2 (poster) calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Button 3-bets</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 2/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, MP2 folds, <font color="#CC3333">Button raises</font>, Hero calls.

Realized right after I did this I would rather have check-raised. So I turned it into a Stop and Go.

Turn: (7.25 BB) 6/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
Hero checks, Button checks.

Whiff.

<font color="white">River: (7.25 BB) 4 /images/graemlins/club.gif (2 players)
Hero bets, Button calls.

Final Pot: 9.25 BB </font>

[Vote4Pedro]

Why did you lead the flop?

[TomBrooks]

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Why did you lead the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]Good question. I realized I would have rather check-raised right after I did it. I should have put that in my OP. I'll fix it now.

[aK13]

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Why did you lead the flop?

[/ QUOTE ]Good question. I realized I would have rather check-raised right after I did it. I should have put that in my OP. I'll fix it now.

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WA/WB?

[TomBrooks]

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WA/WB?

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Probably from playing mostly 6max lately, I was not even sweating being behind a better Ace at the time of the flop.

[Nick C]

I'm responding blind.

On this flop, I think I may like leading better than checkraising. There's a decent chance MP2 doesn't have much of anything anyway, and if that's the case, there's no need to put a lot of pressure on him.

I think checking and calling would be all right, too.

In any event, checking and calling is what I'd do on the turn, once the pot was heads-up.

[Vote4Pedro]

Does leading really accomplish anything besides exposing our hand? Either we're slowing down a hand we have crushed, or we're getting raised by a hand thats got us drawing thin. This is the second hand in the last few days that involves a WA/WB situation with someone sandwiched inbetween a PF raiser and a 3bettor, the first post didnt generate that much discussion so I'm still kinda iffy.

[Nick C]

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Does leading really accomplish anything besides exposing our hand? Either we're slowing down a hand we have crushed, or we're getting raised by a hand thats got us drawing thin. This is the second hand in the last few days that involves a WA/WB situation with someone sandwiched inbetween a PF raiser and a 3bettor, the first post didnt generate that much discussion so I'm still kinda iffy.

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Since the board is uncoordinated and basically drawless, I suspect checking the flop with the intention of calling is best.

Since MP2 is a poster, the chances are better than they would be if he were a cold-caller that he has a middle pair hand, and that makes me want to put some pressure on him.

But, really, I think that, in all likelihood, he doesn't have anything that's much of a threat to us.

[@bsolute_luck]

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WA/WB?

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Probably from playing mostly 6max lately, I was not even sweating being behind a better Ace at the time of the flop.

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i know you had no reads, but to lead out is because you want to 3-bet. so w/o reads, like you said, check/raise.

[lufbradolly]

I'd fold preflop

[Vote4Pedro]

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I'd fold preflop

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7-handed and one of them is a poster. Folding is out of the question. Calling to induce a limp-fest wouldnt be so bad if the table was filled, but against a smaller field with a solid starting hand, you gotta jack it up

[TomBrooks]

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Calling to induce a limp-fest wouldnt be so bad if the table was filled

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As a side note, I don't ever expect any limp-festing at 1/2, even when every seat is taken. I've can't recall ever seeing a Party 1/2 table with a lot of limpers. /images/graemlins/confused.gif I've played on perhaps 80 of them.

[Vote4Pedro]

Interesting...I played ~10k hands @ 1/2 9max earlier this summer and found nothing but juicey games with bad limps and even worse cold-calls. Are you playing 1/2 fulltable or 9max? The 9max kinda played like a pseudo-6max game w/ less aggression.

[TomBrooks]

Hi Pedro,
I've only been playing the 10 hand. I'll try the 9 hand, it sounds better. Maybe it's attracting a different kind of player. Cheers, Tom

I personally think this is textbook WA/WB. I like preflop.

[lufbradolly]

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I'd fold preflop

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7-handed and one of them is a poster. Folding is out of the question. Calling to induce a limp-fest wouldnt be so bad if the table was filled, but against a smaller field with a solid starting hand, you gotta jack it up

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Ok i understand what your saying and your right thinking about it folding is out of the question. But if you raise nearly every hand that 3 bets us is dominating A9s (AA-99 maybe 88, AK, AQ maybe AJs and KQs which were a slight fave over).

I just don't understand why its a raise when were out of position.

Just like to hear your thoughts because i wouldn't raise here, but there a SLIGHT chance i play to tight.

[Vote4Pedro]

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But if you raise nearly every hand that 3 bets us is dominating A9s

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You could say the same thing for AJs/o, ATs, as well as KQs/o; All of which are considered standard UTG raises...

[MATT111]

Check-calling is good as it may induce pps to continue bluffing. Bet the river though.