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microbet

09-14-2005, 09:50 PM

Before the current Irie post I have oft wondered what the heck people have when they make a crazy small bet into a big pot. How about posting it in this thread if you see hand like this that goes to showdown?

Maulik

09-14-2005, 09:59 PM

i am willing to oblige.

Sykes

09-14-2005, 10:45 PM

I use it for stoppage. Here's a horribly misplayed hand by me:

Hand #8382371-22 at Wed1020pmA-015 (No Limit tournament Hold'em)
Powered by UltimateBet
Started at 14/Sep/05 22:41:22

gtgambler is at seat 0 with 4580.
Tonz of Fun is at seat 1 with 1060.
Glory Seeker is at seat 2 with 2800.
aaak27 is at seat 3 with 1320.
Striker81 is at seat 5 with 1420.
paul love is at seat 6 with 1300.
ArnoldZiffel is at seat 7 with 4130.
justing80 is at seat 8 with 1380.
chevywyld is at seat 9 with 1040.
The button is at seat 9.

gtgambler posts the small blind of 20.
Tonz of Fun posts the big blind of 40.

gtgambler: -- --
Tonz of Fun: -- --
Glory Seeker: Ac 9c
aaak27: -- --
Striker81: -- --
paul love: -- --
ArnoldZiffel: -- --
justing80: -- --
chevywyld: -- --

Pre-flop:

Glory Seeker calls. aaak27 calls. Striker81 calls.
paul love folds. ArnoldZiffel folds. justing80
folds. chevywyld calls. gtgambler folds. Tonz of
Fun checks.

Flop (board: Ah Ks Kd):

Tonz of Fun checks. Glory Seeker checks. aaak27 checks. Striker81 checks. chevywyld checks.

Turn (board: Ah Ks Kd Qd):

Tonz of Fun checks. Glory Seeker bets 150. aaak27 folds. Striker81 calls. chevywyld folds. Tonz of Fun folds.

River (board: Ah Ks Kd Qd Qc):

Glory Seeker bets 40. Striker81 calls.

09-15-2005, 12:08 AM

5.5 hand
Blinds 10/20
I have ~500
Villain has about 900

I raise to 50 from EP with TT.
Villain calls on BB.

Flop comes A-high rainbow
Villain bets 20
I call

Turn is a rag that brings a flush draw
Villain bets 20
I call

River is K on suit
Villain bets 100
I fold.

Be nice to see it. I considered minraising turn.

Sykes

09-15-2005, 12:39 AM

[ QUOTE ]
5.5 hand
Blinds 10/20
I have ~500
Villain has about 900

I raise to 50 from EP with TT.
Villain calls on BB.

Flop comes A-high rainbow
Villain bets 20
I call

Turn is a rag that brings a flush draw
Villain bets 20
I call

River is K on suit
Villain bets 100
I fold.

Be nice to see it. I considered minraising turn.

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Hero should limp in pf.

09-15-2005, 12:43 AM

[ QUOTE ]
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5.5 hand
Blinds 10/20
I have ~500
Villain has about 900

I raise to 50 from EP with TT.
Villain calls on BB.

Flop comes A-high rainbow
Villain bets 20
I call

Turn is a rag that brings a flush draw
Villain bets 20
I call

River is K on suit
Villain bets 100
I fold.

Be nice to see it. I considered minraising turn.

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Hero should limp in pf.

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Probably. Incidentally, I raised to 70. But the min bet's what this is about anyway. I assume he had a small set or an A. Possibly KK. 5.50 players are weird.

Xhad

09-15-2005, 02:28 AM

Both same SNG, both same donk.

[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

UTG+1 (t800)
UTG+2 (t800)
MP1 (t800)
MP2 (t800)
MP3 (t800)
Hero (t800)
Button (t800)
SB (t800)
BB (t800)
UTG (t800)

Preflop: Hero is CO with 7/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
UTG calls t15, UTG+1 calls t15, UTG+2 calls t15, 2 folds, MP3 calls t15, Hero calls t15, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t120) 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, Q/images/graemlins/spade.gif, Q/images/graemlins/club.gif (8 players)
SB bets t15, BB folds, UTG folds, UTG+1 folds, UTG+2 folds, MP3 folds, Hero calls t15, Button calls t15.

Turn: (t165) 3/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
SB bets t15, Hero raises to t100, Button folds, SB calls t85.

River: (t365) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (2 players)
SB bets t15, Hero calls t15.

Final Pot: t395

Results in white below: 
SB has 3h 9d (two pair, queens and threes).
Hero has 7d 7h (two pair, queens and sevens).
Outcome: Hero wins t395. 

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[ QUOTE ]
Party Poker Pot-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (9 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

SB (t700)
BB (t770)
UTG (t1070)
UTG+1 (t785)
Hero (t1050)
MP2 (t685)
MP3 (t1405)
CO (t775)
Button (t760)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A/images/graemlins/spade.gif, T/images/graemlins/spade.gif.
2 folds, Hero calls t15, 1 fold, MP3 calls t15, 1 fold, Button calls t15, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t75) 7/images/graemlins/spade.gif, 3/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (5 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets t15, Button folds, SB calls t15, BB calls t15, Hero calls t15.

Turn: (t135) K/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets t15, SB folds, BB calls t15, Hero calls t15.

River: (t180) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif (3 players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP3 bets t15, BB folds, Hero calls t15.

Final Pot: t210

Results in white below: 
Hero has As Ts (high card, ace).
MP3 has 8s 9h (high card, king).
Outcome: Hero wins t210. 

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microbet

09-15-2005, 02:59 AM

Cool.

He pretty clearly seems to think of it as a blocking bet.

He did manage to see a cheap showdown with pretty close to the nut worst hand on the second hand. He didn't want you to bluff him out with a 48.

Scuba Chuck

09-15-2005, 03:07 AM

micro, I think that on the lower levels, the mini-flop bet generally means one of 4 things.

1) A bet to take it down, as for some reason they've figured out that the multi-tablers can fold to even this sized bet. I see this often out of the SB. If you raise this guys bet, you almost always take it down.

2) A bet representing any paired card on the board.

3) A bet to scare off hands when the board comes QQ8 (or the like). I'd say 90% of the time, this hand is very weak.

4) A bet to build the pot when it's multi-handed and someone thinks their hand is the nuts, which it could be.

45suited

09-15-2005, 09:56 AM

I think that ScubaChuck is right on with his 4 reasons why guys mini-bet. If I see a guy do it more than once or twice, I've started doing something like this (PP 22, blinds 25-50)

UTG ( $1950 )
UTG+1( $1120 )
CO ( $390 )
Button ( $1280 )
SB (HERO) ( $1590 ) dealt 8sJs
BB ( $1670 )

UTG, CO, Button, HERO all call. BB checks.

** Dealing Flop ** [ 2s, 6c, 9d ] (Pot t250)

HERO checks.
BB checks.
UTG bets [50].
CO folds.
Button folds.
HERO calls [50].
BB folds.

** Dealing Turn ** [ 4c ] (Pot 350)
HERO bets [250].
UTG folds.

I don't do this often, but in this case, I had the benefit of knowing that there was a good chance that I could get the pot heads up. It was also a benefit that I was OOP. Plus, villain had mini-bet twice before.

09-15-2005, 10:22 AM

ScubaChuck has it right. In my experience most of the time you will normally see these tiny bets into large pots generally early in the game. As ScubaChuck noted most of the time the bettor has a weak hand and it is nothing more than a weak bet. Early in the game you still have the new riff-raff who really don't know any better and put out these mini-bets. If they are still hanging around in the later stages I would imagine they are still betting the absolute minimum then also.

What is very nice about this unless these players are putting on a show is that you can normally move them off of most pots with a modest reraise. Most often their power hands will be way overbet and they will be extremely eager to get all-in with monsters and not value or mini-bet made big hands.

se2schul

09-15-2005, 11:50 AM

I actually make note of people that tend to use the check/fold button. If I get heads up with them in levels 1-3, I will pause a few seconds to let them click the check/fold button and min bet with any 2 cards.

microbet

09-15-2005, 02:35 PM

check/call-lead out

classic

MegaBet

09-15-2005, 02:46 PM

To be honest, I never do this, and I'll never understand why people do. If you're bluffing, a small bet is weak and unlikely to get someone off a hand. If you bet for value, you're losing a lot of equity when people call.

ZeroPointMachine

09-15-2005, 04:46 PM

We can all point and laugh at the goofy min betting donks, but have you actually looked at how often this takes a pot down in the early levels. The uber weak-tight play at the early levels leads to a whole lot of folds. How often do you see a SB make this bet into 3 or more players and take down the pot. The EP players fold because they don't have enough of a hand to get involved with players behind them and the late position guy thinks "I don't think he has anything but neither do I and these 800 chip stacks sure are small and why do i have to be sherriff....aww let him have it....stupid min betting donk....."

C'mon you know you've folded to these bets.....

jwesty5

09-15-2005, 05:44 PM

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2) A bet representing any paired card on the board.

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If its top pair its usually a poor kicker as well.

Xhad

09-16-2005, 02:09 AM

First level is exactly when I want to be playing sherriff because I have the chips to get away from the hand if it turns out that this is the one donk in 50 who actually has a hand when he makes this bet. Playing in the 20/2's I've been seeing a lot of these lately and I'm starting to wonder if it might not be prudent to play back with any two (assuming you still have a reasonable stack afterward) just to see if it will work, then make a note for higher levels. I already have a similar policy for preflop miniraises (calling with any two in the big blind, then leading or c/r ing if I hit the flop at all).

Of course, all of this assumes that the donks will still be around when the blinds are that high, but as we speak I'm in a 20/2 that looks like it's going to hit the bubble in level 4 at the latest, so...

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***** Hand History for Game 2719769944 *****
15/30 Tourney Texas Hold'em Game Table (NL) (Tournament 15779921) - Fri Sep 16 01:57:47 EDT 2005
Table Table 13968 (Real Money) -- Seat 3 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 1: mayfielr (915)
Seat 2: chuxter8 (760)
Seat 3: ItsNotXhad (770)
Seat 4: time_go_up (785)
Seat 5: Bansada (965)
Seat 6: jhallas (1795)
Seat 7: specialKent (330)
Seat 9: PokerPhenom0 (755)
Seat 10: rsploco78 (925)
time_go_up posts small blind (10)
Bansada posts big blind (15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to ItsNotXhad [ Kd, Ts ]
jhallas folds.
specialKent folds.
PokerPhenom0 folds.
rsploco78 folds.
mayfielr folds.
chuxter8 calls (15)
ItsNotXhad calls (15)
time_go_up calls (5)
Bansada checks.
** Dealing Flop ** : [ 5h, 7d, Jc ]
time_go_up bets (15)
Bansada folds.
chuxter8 folds.
ItsNotXhad calls (15)
** Dealing Turn ** : [ Qs ]
time_go_up bets (15)
ItsNotXhad raises (100) to 100
time_go_up folds.

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