Questionable river, actually questionable every street?

[gh9801]

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Preflop: Hero is Button with 9/images/graemlins/spade.gif, K/images/graemlins/heart.gif.
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, MP1 calls.

Flop: (7.00 SB) K/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 7/images/graemlins/heart.gif <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, SB folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP1 3-bets</font>, Hero calls.

Turn: (6.50 BB) T/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero calls.

River: (8.50 BB) 6/images/graemlins/diamond.gif <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP1 bets</font>, Hero folds.

Final Pot: 9.50 BB.

Villain is a donk, 35/10/0.5

What is with these river folds lately?

Fold the turn or call the river, those are your options. What are you hoping for, to spike a 9?

35/10 means plays 35% of his hands, 10% of all hands preflop raise right? I wonder what that translates into for average hand strength... I know against a guy who plays almost every hand here I would be raising, and i guess he raises most of his good hands so you're probably alright here. I would have to see 35% at the table to get a feel for what his hand range is, but I'm a fan of this move.

I play it the exact same way you do (preflop depends, I'm not sure exactly what 35%/10% translates into of course), but I call the river gladly sure I'm good well over 30% of the time here.

[gh9801]

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What is with these river folds lately?

Fold the turn or call the river, those are your options. What are you hoping for, to spike a 9?

35/10 means plays 35% of his hands, 10% of all hands preflop raise right? I wonder what that translates into for average hand strength... I know against a guy who plays almost every hand here I would be raising, and i guess he raises most of his good hands so you're probably alright here. I would have to see 35% at the table to get a feel for what his hand range is, but I'm a fan of this move.

I play it the exact same way you do (preflop depends, I'm not sure exactly what 35%/10% translates into of course), but I call the river gladly sure I'm good well over 30% of the time here.

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I pikced up a double gut on the turn. And this guy betting means he has top pair beat

I don't think k9o is good enough to isolate the type of player you describe.

[gh9801]

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I don't think k9o is good enough to isolate the type of player you describe.

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What's your minimum?

Against a 35 VPIP player I think I'm isolating with A10o+, KJo+, 77+ or so I think. Not sure if that is standard or not, just my feeling that 35 is not super high. I guess it really would depend on what type of hands he has been limping and how he plays post flop. If he is really weak tight I think the K9o becomes more playable.

[Jake (The Snake)]

looks good to me

edit:

pf is probably questionable, but i dont mind it

actually, how many hands do you have on him? if not too much id rather call the river

[TheHammer24]

I like it. Folding the turn is bad, folding to the flop 3-bet would be better than folding the turn.

PF raise is iffy big time. Do you really want to isolate a loosish aggressive player? KJ, maybe KTs I make this play, K9 is marginal, but if you are a good postflop player.

Calling the river is not that bad, but folding...eh, yeah, it's correct.