$11: How do you play this on the river?

[GtrHtr]

Very first hand of a PP $11, Hero is in the BB:

Level:1 Blinds(10/15) Table Table 11070 (Real Money)
Seat 8 is the button
Total number of players : 10
Seat 10: Hero ( $800 )
Seat 7: k833 ( $800 )
Seat 2: py101 ( $800 )
Seat 9: Bill54 ( $800 )
Seat 6: boo ( $800 )
Seat 8: Deacon23 ( $800 )
Seat 1: ddk8 ( $800 )
Seat 5: KJKJ1 ( $800 )
Seat 3: todds ( $800 )
Seat 4: lit222 ( $800 )
Trny:15738014 Level:1
Blinds(10/15)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to Hero [ 7c 7s ]
ddk8 folds.
py101 folds.
todds calls [15].
lit222 calls [15].
KJKJ1 folds.
boo calls [15].
k833 calls [15].
Deacon23 folds.
Bill54 calls [5].
Hero checks.
** Dealing Flop ** [ Js, 2s, Jd ]
Bill54 checks.
Hero checks.
toddsfatboy checks.
lit222 checks.
boo checks.
k833 checks.
** Dealing Turn ** [ 4h ]
Bill54 checks.
Hero checks.
todds checks.
lit222 checks.
hazy checks.
k833 checks.
** Dealing River ** [ Jc ]
Bill54 checks.
Hero checks.
todds checks.
lit222 checks.
hazy bets [80].
k833 calls [80].
Bill54 folds.
Hero?

Calls.

I'd call it. Bettor probably had A-high and first caller probably had the 2 or the 4. If you run into the J - they deserve it.

Call. You will win this more often than not.

[FakeKramer]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned lead out for about 80, which is what I would have done.

I'd lead out from the beginning, although I suppose this works out better, since you wont get many calls my way.

you have to call this, you're looking at A2 or A4, or plain old Ax. I'd say you win this 9/10 times, and that 10th, PLEASE make a note on their name, and post it here.

I'm curious why no one recommends a raise. It is not likely there is a 88-TT, and if you opponents have brains, there will be no Jx, or overpair. If you make a small reraise, it is more likely that the raiser and caller will call than it is that the other two yet to act will call the 80. Call 80, reraise 80-100.

[TT_fold]

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I'm curious why no one recommends a raise. It is not likely there is a 88-TT, and if you opponents have brains, there will be no Jx, or overpair. If you make a small reraise, it is more likely that the raiser and caller will call than it is that the other two yet to act will call the 80. Call 80, reraise 80-100.

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Why am I not surprised that a president widely considered by historians to be the worst in our nation's history does not know the proper poker terminology? The sequence of actions is bet-raise-reraise. If our hero decides to put an additonal 100 chips in the pot on top of the 80 chip bet, that is considered a raise.

YSSCKYAYC (<font color="white">you should seriously consider killing yourself and your cronies </font>)

[mcpherzen]

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I'm surprised no one has mentioned lead out for about 80, which is what I would have done.

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This is not good. What you have here is a great bluff-buster hand, not a real hand. 6 people saw the flop, and TT-88 are also limping hands that would have been afraid of a J-J-x flop. If you lead and get raised, now what do you do?

Quite conceivably, everyone has nothing and you have the best hand. The board is pretty scary. If you lead for any significant amount, there's a decent chance you'll scare away even the dude with Jacks full of fours or deuces, whereas if the pot is checked to him, he might try to value-bet it (which you happily call). Or, the dude with Jacks full of fours or deuces will decide he's got the greek nuts and overplay it, forcing you to call a huge raise. You want neither of these situations. Check and call for value.

--Zen

[NiR]

fold. someone has J rags. just fold.

[mcpherzen]

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I'm curious why no one recommends a raise. It is not likely there is a 88-TT, and if you opponents have brains, there will be no Jx, or overpair. If you make a small reraise, it is more likely that the raiser and caller will call than it is that the other two yet to act will call the 80. Call 80, reraise 80-100.

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You're right...it is highly likely that you have the best hand here, so raising with it makes a lot of sense. It is an awfully tough bet for your opponents to call however. Especially coming from the blind on the river. I do agree that at least the river bettor will likely call a min-raise, so your play is unlikely to be -EV (it would be -EV if you never got called but always got raised by quad Jacks).

However, I would still just call here, personally. I want to close the betting as quickly as possible and show down my very good hand. By raising, you definitely expose yourself to the river bettor, who might just decide to play "who's got the Jack?" with you and pop you with a huge re-raise. You almost certainly can't call that, so I'd prefer to not even jump into a situation where I could allow my opponent to outplay me.

If I call and win this pot, I add 30% ($250) to my stack on the very first hand and exposed myself to no further risk. I think to be successful at sng's, you need to be very comfortable with adding 20%-40% to your stack in pots at the early levels, as opposed to taking more chances in the attempt to double-up early. If you are a solid sng'er, having T1050 on hand #2 when all your opponents have T800 or less should have a noticeable positive infuence on your ITM and ROI figures.

--Zen

[bluefeet]

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However, I would still just call here, personally. I want to close the betting as quickly as possible and show down my very good hand. By raising, you definitely expose yourself to the river bettor, who might just decide to play "who's got the Jack?" with you and pop you with a huge re-raise. You almost certainly can't call that, so I'd prefer to not even jump into a situation where I could allow my opponent to outplay me.

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Wrong:

1) It is also proper to refer to a reraise as "call then raise". Many people do it, including in publication. I do this to avoid ambiguity.

2) Not only is WGH our worst preseident, but our worst poker-player-president. Get it straight.

3) Why bother with you post? It doesn't serve any purpose.

[kyro]

I think I bet/fold that turn nearly every time. And I call the river. They think their 4s are good.

Pay attention to who is betting. Those guys have no reason to check trip jacks on the turn.

[NiR]

OOOPS SORRY. DIDNT c 3 jacks out. in that case call definitely. i would just call this. raise is not that bad either since you will get paid by the top pairs.

[Scuba Chuck]

This is a very comfortable river call.