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TheIrishThug

09-14-2005, 03:17 PM

so i've been playing nl and doing pretty good. just set up an unmentionable account and decided y not start learning a new game with said account. been playing for a little and been doing pretty good. getting some nice cards. my one question is what's a good bb/100? so far my stats are
http://www.visitthesaint.com/sustain.JPG
can i keep this up or should i expect it to come down a little?

GrunchCan

09-14-2005, 03:19 PM

If you can't make any more than that, you probably aren't cut out for poker.

gharp

09-14-2005, 03:19 PM

Dude -- you're defending your blinds too much.

Paxosmotic

09-14-2005, 03:21 PM

You're playing too many hands, you're not aggressive enough preflop, you defend your blinds too much, you're too tight from the small blind, and you don't steal enough blinds. Good game, fish.

Eeegah

09-14-2005, 03:22 PM

Looks like we have to go through the numbers again.

10 players seeing every flop and capping every street while you win every hand gives you:

9 * 12 * 100 = 10,800BB/100.

You've got a leak somewhere. Plug it if you hope to see 1/2.

GrunchCan

09-14-2005, 03:31 PM

Seriously though, let's see the history for your 33 BB pot. That's pretty nice.

deception5

09-14-2005, 03:35 PM

You need to move up asap /images/graemlins/wink.gif

Deamon2

09-14-2005, 03:37 PM

please tell me you had 52s from the BB

TheIrishThug

09-14-2005, 03:46 PM

ok, here it is. comment if u want. as far a reads go i can;t remember, but i'd say the table leaned towards the loose side.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, CO raises, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (29.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, CO calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 45.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Ad 7c (one pair, aces).
MP2 has 2c 2h (three of a kind, twos).
CO has 9h 9s (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Tc Jc (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins 45.25 BB.

Eeegah

09-14-2005, 03:47 PM

Yeah fold preflop; how do ya like that.

gharp

09-14-2005, 03:55 PM

Party Poker is so rigged -- somehow you only got 33BB out of a 45BB pot.

And, yeah, you should probably fold preflop. But I don't hate the call where you're suited at a loose table and on the button. Post-flop is sweeeeet. These are the kind of scenarios (set-over-set and you have a solid drawing hand) you dream of in limit. In NL, you'd probably have been forced out much earlier, no?

Paxosmotic

09-14-2005, 04:03 PM

I think that's a pretty easy call preflop when you're guaranteed to have 4 to the flop. Anyone else?

adsman

09-14-2005, 04:04 PM

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I think that's a pretty easy call preflop when you're guaranteed to have 4 to the flop. Anyone else?

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Absolutely.

GrunchCan

09-14-2005, 04:05 PM

I like the call.

krimson

09-14-2005, 04:07 PM

Ouch, I hope you have a sweet rakeback deal, your getting destroyed by the site.

milesdyson

09-14-2005, 04:08 PM

look at UTG... god damn

car ramrod

09-14-2005, 04:14 PM

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can i keep this up or should i expect it to come down a little?

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I think 3,325 BB/100 is going to be tough to stay at. It may come down a little, but you like to see it stay above 2000.

krimson

09-14-2005, 04:18 PM

[ QUOTE ]
I think that's a pretty easy call preflop when you're guaranteed to have 4 to the flop. Anyone else?

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Easy call with the button imo.

SavageMiser

09-14-2005, 04:27 PM

I can't believe this hasn't been said yet: Raise preflop.

It's the key to winning poker!

TheIrishThug

09-14-2005, 04:33 PM

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look at UTG... god damn

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yes, utg is my hero.

as for the ppl saying fold pf, i probly would have but i have been rereading sshe and literally had just read the line where it says "strong speculative, hands small pp and suited connectors like T /images/graemlins/heart.gif9 /images/graemlins/heart.gif and up, can afford to pay 2 bets to see the flop..." so i took that and went forward with the call.

based on the results, of this hand and 2 others that night with JTs (though clearly not as good), i'm gonna go with its ok to call there. seems like there r a fair number of ppl that aren't as ro as me that feel the same way, so i'll continue to call.

VoraciousReader

09-14-2005, 04:40 PM

Your Won$SD is too high. You should be losing approximately half the time. Clearly you are folding too many winners. Stop being so weak/tight already.

bozlax

09-14-2005, 04:40 PM

What I wanna know is, how is it you only had 1 hand in PT (this one) but you didn't post a blind?

Party is rigged.

marchron

09-14-2005, 04:47 PM

[ QUOTE ]
ok, here it is. comment if u want. as far a reads go i can;t remember, but i'd say the table leaned towards the loose side.

Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (8 handed) converter (http://www.selachian.com/tools/bisonconverter/hhconverter.cgi)

Preflop: Hero is Button with T/images/graemlins/club.gif, J/images/graemlins/club.gif.
UTG calls, 2 folds, MP2 calls, CO raises, Hero calls, 1 fold, BB calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Flop: (10.50 SB) A/images/graemlins/club.gif, 2/images/graemlins/diamond.gif, 9/images/graemlins/club.gif (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, MP2 bets, CO raises, Hero calls, BB folds, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

Turn: (13.25 BB) 8/images/graemlins/spade.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, CO raises, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, CO caps, Hero calls, UTG calls, MP2 calls.

River: (29.25 BB) Q/images/graemlins/heart.gif (4 players)
UTG checks, MP2 bets, CO calls, Hero raises, UTG calls, MP2 3-bets, CO calls, Hero caps, UTG calls, MP2 calls, CO calls.

Final Pot: 45.25 BB

Results in white below: 
UTG has Ad 7c (one pair, aces).
MP2 has 2c 2h (three of a kind, twos).
CO has 9h 9s (three of a kind, nines).
Hero has Tc Jc (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins 45.25 BB. 

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Holy Christ in a gondola, that's like the Perfect Storm of +EV. Set over set with a draw to crush both of them, plus one idiot donk along for the ride. I want to have UTG's babies. And I'm a guy.

TripleH68

09-14-2005, 05:23 PM

How did you get to play your first hand on the button without posting?

Doc7

09-14-2005, 05:46 PM

Mighta started a new DB, put that hand in a separate folder, and only imported it.

TripleH68

09-14-2005, 05:55 PM

/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

09-14-2005, 06:04 PM

UTG called 2 bets SIX TIMES in one hand, with a crappy hand that was never gonna win. He could have set some sort of record if he'd had the opportunity to do the same preflop.

ghostface

09-14-2005, 06:17 PM

Since when did a straight beat 3 of a kind???